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  1. What is the relation between "script" and "cursive"? A long, long time ago, I learned how to write in script. That must have been the in first few grades in Elementary School. 65 or so years later, I still write in script. I see a lot of discussion in the fountain pen enthusiasts community about "cursive" writing and see very little discussion about "script." Are they the same? I've read somewhere that in cursive writing, you don't lift the pen between letters. Is that the only difference? As many members of the board do, I'd like to improve my handwriting. However, I'm not yet ready to take on an entirely different way of writing, such as Spencer.. One step that might help is using lined or dot-grid paper instead of blank paper. Can you recommend a book for re-learning the basics of script?
  2. These days, more and more of us know someone who is utterly baffled by cursive handwriting. They will someday need to read something that is in cursive — but they are very unlikely to go to the trouble of learning to write cursive just for the sake of reading it. Even people who have been taught cursive as children often forget it, and find it a baffling mystery by the time they grow up. There are college entrants who’d “had” cursive in school at age 8, who can no longer read it by age 18. (Literally, as adults they cannot read their own childhood schoolwork.) What to do? Perhaps buy them a copy of READ CURSIVE FAST (reviewed in the Spring 2021 PENNANT) … Amazon link: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735935808/ref=olp_aod_redir_impl1?_encoding=UTF8&aod=1&qid=1619952667&sr=8-1 Sample pages: http://readcursivefast.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/RCF_Preview-1.pdf To purchase direct from publisher: https://nationalautismresources.com/read-cursive-fast/ The book’s web-site: ReadCursiveFast.com To purchase direct from me: Readcursivefast.Com/order and https://read-cursive-fast.myshopify.com/ (The info there mentions “pre-order,” but that word will be changed to “order” this week.) If you’re buying from me and want an autographed copy, send your request to me at Kate@ReadCursiveFast.com (my e-mail for book-related business) and put the word “autograph” somewhere in the message, so I can see it when I fulfill direct orders. http://static.ideasunplugged.com/signature/s_036/t_r3LLkJ.jpg?v=69 Yours for better letters, Kate Gladstone author of READ CURSIVE FAST ReadCursiveFast.com CEO, Handwriting Repair/Handwriting That Works DIRECTOR, World Handwriting Contest 165 NORTH ALLEN STREET ―First Floor Albany, NY 12206-1706 USA landline 518-482-6763 mobile 518-928-8101 Handwriting CAN make sense. ________________________________________________________________________________________ IMG_6207.mp4
  3. Aloha Everyone. This is my first writing sample. Does anyone know what style it is? How can I improve? What style or method should I practice to improve it? Thank you, jim
  4. Posted this on some older topics, but no responses. I don't have great handwriting, and write cursive. Have been writing with round, smooth, wet nibs mostly. When I started using a (0.6 mm JoWo #6) stub on a weighty (Nemosine Fission) pen, noticed my handwriting is much better. In particular, the slant of my lettering is more consistent. I will try a controlled experiment with the same pen and round nib, but my thesis is that the stub is forcing my hand to write at a more consistent angle. Others have expressed writing better with stubs too, perhaps for the same reason. Does the reasoning follow your experiences, or some other reason I am missing? Certainly, some feedback, as I get with other or finer pens helps to improve the waywardness of my letters, but this stub is very smooth and wet. I am thinking of getting my new Pelikan M805 Fine ground to Cursive Italic - will it give me the same type of benefit?
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  6. I'm fairly new to the world of fountain pens, and would like some advice on the topic of an italic nib. A little background first. I studied calligraphy and italic handwriting quite intensely about 30 years ago from an artist Benedectine Nun, who is now deceased. I completely changed my handwriting from the old Palmer to Italic, which I continue to use. Eventuallly, I even went on to teach a course in college on beginning calligraphy. After 20 some years, I have rediscovered my old artistic interest in fountain pens, calligraphy, and italic. I have 3 old Osmiroid pens (two 65s and one 75) I have all the nibs from extra fine up through B4. All the nibs and pens work fine after 30 years. I've recently purchased some beginning Fountain pens: Pilot Metropolitan, TWSBI ECO, Lamy Safari, and the Pilot E95S....all with either fine or extra-fine nibs. Now I'm thinking of investing in a good italic cursive nib. I've been re-learning to write with my old Osmiroids. I guess my main question at this point is: would getting a specially ground cursive italic nib produce a better writing pen than my old Osmiroids? I know there are places that will grind nibs for you. I have discovered Marc Bacas at Nibgrinder.com. I'm debating whether I should purchase a pen from him, and have him grind a cursive italic for me. Would a custom ground pen like this work better, more smoothly than my old plastic Osmiroid? Or is the Osmiroid considered a pretty good writing pen? And then there is the question: if I do decide to have him produce a nib for me...there are so many nib options: JoWo, Bock, gold, amongst others. He makes 3 different italic nibs...one for formal italic, one regular cursive italic, and a very smooth cursive italic. I'm thinking I want something along the lines of a fine nib. (something between the Osmiroid extra fine and fine.) I see that I can send pens in. Waiting time is 2 months. Or if I purchase a pen from him, it is expedited. He mostly stocks TWSBI pens. Any thoughts you can share with me on this topic would be appreciated. I know there are other options also. I've heard of Franklin-Christoph nibs. And Goulet Pens also sells some italic nibs. Or I could get a Jinhao and experiment on grinding my own. Don't know how tough that is. Just not sure what I should do and would love any input from anyone. Thanks. Dan Mueller
  7. Hello everyone here at FPN, this is my first publication this year and I take this opportunity to show you my most recent acquisition. I made this purchase on eBay at a good price and it is a very interesting vintage flexible fountain pen: Measures length: 5 inchesBrand: UnknownPen material: EboniteClip material: SteelOverlay material: I don't knowFilling system: EyedropperInk capacity: 3mlNib: 14K Warranted # 8 flexFlow: Wet It is a fairly light and comfortable pen to use and is quite fun to use and enjoy its flexible nib and its fed is quite generous, but it requires me somewhat decent paper since the feed is wet. Next I will show you the photos of the fountain pen and some writing samples using flex and another without flex.
  8. Does anyone else notice that the quality and nature of penmanship changes depending on the nib, pen, ink, and paper?? Here's a sample of my sloppy handwriting. Practice in progress. Rhodia Paper.
  9. I bought my first fountain pen about a month ago and decided I wanted to improve (in other words relearn) my cursive. I have been enjoying the posts in the handwriting thread and doing a lot of practicing. Here is my improvement in just a few weeks and hopefully Ill keep updating until its perfect! Im currently using Spencerian as a stylistic jumping off point.
  10. Hello fellow penmen, I was wondering, since I started doing some research into cursive improvements, custom grinds etc. I write in a righty side writer position, pointing my tip approximately towards the 10 o'clock position. (and also rotating the nib sligtly clockwise) basically Oblique (left foot oblique) felt like nonsense to me. I wanted to mimic the classical thic downstroke cursive with a stub, but realised this is not possible for me. So to achieve this I would probably need and architect grind (going to try some and let you know) But For this hand position, any stubs just look silly (thick horizontals and thin verticals). Also flex nibs are strange to use, as I would flex them sideways, which makes them scratchy... Any right-handed sidewriters out there? Any tips? Btw here is a sample of my writing
  11. I occasionally have arthritis flare ups in my hands and fingers. With that, my normally "Business Palmer" cursive turns illegible. However, my printing is very legible and nicely spaced, but much slower than my cursive. It is enjoyable to me to write cursive and to slowly improve . . . .but. . . . I am wondering if it is within good etiquette to switch to print on some letter corresponding for this reason? Then, there might also be the fun challenge to improve my printing style as well which I've never done. Thoughts? Thanks you for you help and thoughts, jim ps: Some people have writing that looks more like printing or printing with flourishes than script and it can look great as well. But I have not tried that for corresponding.
  12. For those of just tuning in, I've been into pens for about exactly a year now. I got started when I found out I could go back to school (for freesies!) and figured some nice pens and stationery would make the job of note-taking in class easier, and I wasn't wrong. Anyway, I first started learning to write cursive in grade three in Catholic school and I was awful at it. Absolutely awful. If I had a dollar for every time I'd been literally screamed at about my handwriting by my mother and my teachers, I would have not have to be going back to school today. In fact, I was told I would never amount to anything, and would certainly never be able to get a job in IT, because I had trouble with handwriting, long division, and memorising multiplication tables. (Incidentally, these fights, after which my mother and I wouldn't speak to each other for several days, are a big reason why I initially broke off all contact with that part of my family in the late 1990s, and did so permanently in 2003. I mention this because I'm guessing a lot of other people have had similar experiences, but I digress). Around grade 10, I finally gave up, ditched cursive, and just wrote in block print and have done so to this day. My block printing is nice and readable, except for two things: One, I can't write more than a few lines before my hand cramps up. Two, once that happens, and especially if I'm trying to write fast, my handwriting degenerates to an illegible scrawl. About a month ago, though, I picked up Michael Sull's book on American cursive handwriting. I started doing the drills and very quickly realised the problem: Writing with just fingers is hard. Nobody can do it for more than a short time without hand cramps. However, writing with the help of the wrist, forearm, and shoulder muscles is much easier. Ay, there's the rub. So, here I am re-learning how to write. I'm still very new so I won't be posting my cursive handwriting anytime soon, doubly so since I've developed so many bad habits around writing using only my fingers that will likely take a great deal of blood, sweat, and tears to break. Once I get comfortable enough with cursive to start using it as my daily handwriting again, I want to graduate to some ornamental penmanship and maybe even calligraphy. Does this struggle sound familiar to anyone? And why in the eff don't they teach arm muscle use in school?!?
  13. lately because of Incrowrimo I have been trying to send some letters to people outside the US and write people from other countries and cultures. I ran into a little internal struggle though on what I should do in regards to using Cursive or Print when I write someone in a country that English may not be their first language. In my mind I think maybe it would be better to write in regular print to make it as easy as possible for someone not fluent in English to understand. I obviously love writing in cursive but I do not want to make it hard for anyone to read my letter. Have you ever thought about this before? What do you do when sending letters to countries where English may not be the primary language? Appreciate any feedback or suggestions.
  14. Is there such a thing as elegant printing vs cursive/script? Such as for snail mail letter writing? Can anyone post samples of printing in letter writing? Are there actual styles for this? Thanks Aloha jim
  15. Hello Everyone. It has been a while since my last post, and my pilot VP with cursive italic nib brings me back to here! I was looking for cursive italic example (as I am sure there is a lot on FPN) but most of the photos were deleted. Could anyone generously share his/her writing of cursive italic again please? I am planning to find some examples which are elegant but they can also be "tweaked" when I need to write faster (i.e. at work, etc) Many thanks for your help Gordon
  16. jandrews

    Hello And A Question

    hello all. very excited to start my fountain pen adventures here. i've been reading these boards a lot to help in my initial decisions, so thank you very much for the help you have already provided! I am a left handed side-writer, which seems to be the worst of the worst when it comes to pens and penmanship but I'm having a great time regardless and getting more and more comfortable moving my hand underneath the action to give myself a more diverse set of options. From the side, I get some (exciting to me, probably strange for others) nice line variation using an italic nib held perpendicular to the baseline of writing. I sprung for an architect nib from fpnibs that if i am visualizing it correctly will give me a closer to normal (not that i am all that considered with being normal) look for my script. so here is my question: What type of cursive should i re-teach myself? the impetus of all this was trying to learn italic calligraphy with dip pens; i think it is beautiful. once i get better control of my writing that may again be a goal, but for right now i just want my handwriting to look appealing and be less random in its creation. the process of writing by hand is a peaceful experience for me and i would like to be able to take more pride in the way it looks. I'm already enjoying just slowing down and using an elegant instrument. I found what seems to be a good reference at http://writeanalog.com/learning-cursive-handwriting/ but it hasn't been helpful in my decision. does anyone have any thoughts on what would be best when re-learning cursive? I'd like something with a little personality, but not something based on being able to use a flex nib or dip pen which can come later once my hand becomes a bit more disciplined. I'd love to hear of any particular successes or frustrations with learning a certain type. thanks for your time, i'm excited to be here josh
  17. After buying a fountain pen/stylus combo from German manufacturer ONLINE, I received supplementary material that shows just how seriously they're into using onscreen writing, apps, and other ways to update the experience of writing with an ink pen, above all for schoolkids. I'm not sure of the German curriculum requirement that compels this, but it's obviously well catered for. Key to this is the ONLINE Discovery writing app, available for iOS and Android tablets of 10" and above. According to its blurb, "ONLINE has developed a supportive app for learning to write on paper and in addition on tablets. In eight lessons teachers and pupils experience together faraway countries. They practice tracing and curvedrawing, letters and words." Not everyone may want to try this approach, but you can appreciate the effort put in to keeping cursive writing skills current. ONLINE backs this up with the Switch range of fountain pen/stylus combinations, in a range of kid-friendly colour choices. The company may or may not be doing this the right way, but it's clear that there is plenty of design nous and money invested in making sure that penmanship, as well as pens, can be more than just a matter of treasured yet outdated heirlooms.
  18. When writing cursive script I have tried to train my hand not to add dots and crosses until the end of the word as this seems to be faster than lifting the pen mid-word Of course dotting and crossing can take almost as long as writing the word in the first place, especially in European latin alphabets which use acents, umlaut characters and cedillas to add to a plethora of dots and dashes. German latin cursive has one trick up its sleeve which I haven't seen in modern English cursive - writing a lower case "t" without needing to go back and cross it. You can see Julie Turrie forming the letter at 6:10 in this video Does anyone have any tricks to reduce the number of dots and crosses in their cursive writing?
  19. Hello everyone! This is my first post on the site. I am so happy to have discovered Fountain Pen Network; I've spent the last several hours looking through the various forums! Sorry if this topic has been covered before, but I wasn't able to find anything with the search results. I'm an avid pen-pal letter writer, and I've been wanting to improve my penmanship. I was thinking of looking at 'Business' style ala Mills. I was intrigued by the Spencerian style, but I'm wondering if that would take up too much space while writing a lengthy letter. What styles do you tend to write with for personal correspondence? Thanks in advance!
  20. I pick this up around a month ago and I been spending roughly a week per chapter, around 10-20 mins per day. The lessons is very easy to understand, making learning very easy.. and you learn in group of letters instead of learning the alphabet one by one, speeding the learning time further. The only downside is, the book kinda treat you like a children from time to time... so i'm guessing that this book is design for children.. as they said, word are wind.. soo... yeah, my writing still sucks and my writing speed is in snail pace because i have to think about how to spell a word before i can write it.... so hopefully it'll improve with practice. So to anyone who want to pick up cursive, pick up Cursive Logic Workbook.
  21. Cambridge University could allow laptops and iPads for exams amid fear young people are losing ability to write Cambridge contemplates typed exams for all as handwriting becomes ‘lost art’ for students
  22. Hi, this post might not seem suitable for this section but it actually is. Alright, i used to have a cursive handwriting and everyone in my life criticized it because it was HELL ugly. I found this forum and ordered a William Mitchell Calligraphy pen, learnt a new handwriting font (Chancery Italic Hand). It is still super beautiful and mesmerizes everyone for some seconds at a first glance but the problem is that I have to re-grind my pen every week because it wears out and slowly becomes a normal round pen. Secondly, as it is a calligraphic font, it takes time to write and isn't as fast as my cursive used to be. So, I have two choices. 1) I can order a fountain pen with a stub nib (which won't wear out soon) and keep my handwriting font (Chancery Italic) 2) I want you guys to recommend me another handwriting font and this time, it will be a round font i.e written with a non-italic, non-calligraphy nib, a simple, round nib. I think the 2nd option is better, I need a font that is faster (like cursive) and looks neat (NOT like cursive). Or maybe my cursive is worse and I need to work on it. What do you guys think?
  23. Hey all! Five years after joining I finally got a FP and I love it. I always print (all caps) regardless of pen type, but would like to relearn cursive. I learned it in the third grade (many, many moons ago) and haven't used it since. I went through several topics on these forums but couldn't find a good guide on how to actually make the letters in cursive. I know "cursive" can be a gazillion things -- I'm using a Pilot Metropolitan medium nib -- and I'm not looking to do anything super fancy; just neat, fluid writing to increase my speed. All I could find searching here and on Google were guide sheets that didn't show how to make the letter, just how to space them horizontally and vertically. Could any of you please suggest a resource that I could print a bunch of copies of (for free, preferably) to practice my cursive letters? I remember a handful of them, but trying to connect them looks like a train wreck on my paper For clarification, what I'm talking about is business script (I think). No shading necessary since my nib isn't flexible. If there are other styles I've somehow overlooked that may be better, please enlighten me! But, again, I'm not looking for calligraphy-level penmanship -- just a fluid, legible, and good looking form of "cursive." Many thanks, engel556
  24. This poll isn't about my handwriting - or anybody else's; it's about preferences when reading handwriting in general. http://i1128.photobucket.com/albums/m496/gclef1114/Gibberish/imag0001.jpg This poll isn't about my handwriting - or anybody else's; it's about preferences when reading handwriting in general.





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