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  1. Many words are translated by Google, but it is still easy to understand. I make a summary about the cost of various special materials that may be used in the pen making. Only special materials, such as TC4 titanium alloy/Brass/Normal Steel/Acrylic/Ebonite/ABS/Normal Plastic Carbon fiber and other conventional materials will not be discussed. All Materials Price is calculated with a ROD. Its size: φ15mm(Diameter)*150mm(Length) So the volume is 26507.1mm3≈26.5cm3 1---Non-precious metals (only the material cost itself is considered, and the processing cost is not calculated) 1.254SMO super stainless steel/654SMO super stainless steel 8 g/cm³ A kind of super austenite stainless steel, which has higher hardness and better corrosion resistance than 904L stainless steel. The material cost is about 50$ 212g. 2.DSN9 super stainless steel 8 g/cm³ A super austenite stainless steel with the highest hardness, it is better to perform nitriding treatment after forming. The material cost is about 70$119.25g. 3.TC21 titanium alloy 4.5 g/cm³ The hardness is softer than TC4, but the corrosion resistance is better. The cost of materials is about 40$ 120g. 4.Zirconium alloy 6.49 g/cm³ The hardness is high, the disadvantage is that the processing is more dangerous, and it is prone to spontaneous combustion. It is not recommended to consider the machine without professional treatment. 50-100$ 172g. 5.CoCrMo cobalt alloy 8.4 g/cm³ Dental alloys have very high hardness (see formula) and processing is slightly difficult. But the corrosion resistance is much higher than that of ordinary titanium alloys. The cost of materials is about 200-400$222.6g. 6.GH4169/Inconel718 nickel alloy 8.192 g/cm³ The nickel alloy with the best overall performance has good fatigue resistance, radiation resistance, oxidation resistance, corrosion resistance, as well as good processing performance and good welding performance. Able to manufacture various parts with complex shapes. The cost of materials is about 60$217.3g. NOTE:Some people are allergic to nickel. Be cautious! 7.TZM molybdenum super alloy 10.22 g/cm³ In essence, it is still a titanium alloy, but because the addition of molybdenum has better corrosion resistance, the hardness is slightly softer. The material cost is about 60$271.83g. 2---Plastic (only consider the cost of the material itself without calculating the processing cost) 1.PEEK 1.32 g/cm³ Polyetheretherketone, a kind of super engineering plastic. 30% carbon fiber reinforcement is the best. Good high temperature resistance, good rigidity and strength, suitable for engineering products with good chemical resistance such as machinery, electrical, automobile, chemical industry, etc. Of course, the unreinforced brown body is also a good choice. The material cost for making a pen is about 50$35g. 2.PEI 1.27 g/cm³ Polyetherimide, a kind of super engineering plastic. There is a very good overall performance without adding any fillers. Processing performance is better than acrylic, notch sensitivity is better than acrylic, weather resistance is higher than all current used pen plastics, the strength is similar to acrylic, the amber color is very beautiful, if stronger hardness is needed, carbon fiber can be used to enhance the cost. . The material cost to make a pen is around 20$33.65g. 3.PBI 1.3 g/cm³ Polybenzimidazole, a kind of super engineering plastic. Possess the highest mechanical properties among plastics. It has the best coefficient of thermal expansion and the highest compressive strength among all unreinforced plastics, making it difficult to process. Carbon fiber reinforcement can also be used. The material cost of making a pen is around 500$35g. 4.PPSU 1.29 g/cm³ Polyphenylsulfone, a kind of super engineering plastic. Highly corrosion resistant, can be repeatedly boiled at high temperature and steam sterilized. But the hardness is slightly softer. Carbon fiber can be used to enhance the hardness. The material cost of making a pen is about 50$34g. 5.PPS 1.35 g/cm³ Polyphenylene sulfide, a kind of super engineering plastic. Hard and brittle, high crystallinity, flame retardant, good thermal stability, and high mechanical strength. But the brittleness is greater than that of PBI, and the notch sensitivity is similar to acrylic. Try not to use threaded parts. The material cost of making a pen is around 10$35g. 6.PTFE 2.2 g/cm³ PTFE, the king of plastics. Because of its hardness is very soft but highly resistant to corrosion. It is only suitable for the sleeve of the pen tip assembly. The cost of ordinary casing is about 5$58.3g. 3---Ceramic glass (mostly consider mold cost) 1.Macor/Shapal M Soft/Ivoclar Glass Ceramic Machinable ceramics/Glass ceramics/Mica ceramics 2.5 g/cm³ All can be regarded as microcrystalline/mica machinable ceramics, meaning that they can be processed directly by CNC just like ordinary metals. The price depends on the formula. The material cost for making a pen is around 100-1000$ . 2.High temperature resistant quartz glass 2.65 g/cm³ Traditional materials, but threads can be processed. Fragile, but the transparency after processing is one of the best. The material cost for making a pen is about 40-400$. 3.Corning Gorilla Glass 2.40 g/cm³ Originally, I considered using Gorilla Glass, but its surface treatment greatly reduced the performance of the processed glass. This material only can be made into a box. 4.Alumina white (need mold) 3.72 g/cm³ Alumina ceramics require mold firing, which can be processed directly under special circumstances but the price is high. If it is mass-produced, the price of the each part can be spread down to 20$. But the cost of mold manufacturing is about 500$/part. You need to think about it before start. 5.Sapphire/Ruby 3.98 g/cm³ The same can be CNC, but it wastes tools and time. The processing cost is about 1000-3000$ for the price of a set. 6.Zirconia white/black (need mold) 5.68 g/cm³ The mold manufacturing cost is around 400$/part 7.Aluminum Nitride/Silicon Nitride (Mold required) 3.255 g/cm³ or 3.17 g/cm³ Top ceramics, with better performance. The mold manufacturing cost is about 800$/part. 8.Carbon carbon fiber ceramics 1.8 g/cm³ Known as CMC. Ceramics for racing brakes. Montblanc uses it in Montblanc StarWalker Ceramics Series. But only pen body is ceramic. If you want that full parts are CMC. The raw material is about 4000$/piece, and the processing cost is x2. 4---Precious metals Generally speaking, the precious metal pen body is very expensive and soft, which is not included in the discussion. If you must use the precious metal pen, it is recommended to customize the filling material. For example, changing the ratio of 75% gold to the remaining 25 can make the combined hardness exceed 300HV. At the same time, it still has appropriate toughness and can be machined. Of course, you can also find fountain pens customized for precious metals in jeweler or some bespoke service. The price is about 1000-3000$/piece. 5---Urushi-e/Maki-e 1.Urushi-e At first I did not like this paint because it is not weather-resistant and cannot be applied on the pen‘s inner tube. But then I found a solution. Adding 3-6% UV1130 and 2.5-5% UV292 in raw maki-e liquid can make it have amazing weather resistance. When painting, you can preprocess the rough reverse thread of wood/hard rubber/plastic, soak it in the raw lacquer solution, wait for it to dry in the incubator and repeat the above process. Then use the same 3-6% UV1130 and 2.5-6%UV292 resin AB glue to bond it with the threaded metal parts (titanium metal is recommended), which can greatly improve its durability. 2.Maki-e Many nano powder can also be used in Maki-E paintings. Nano alumina ceramic powder can provide pure white. Nano iron oxide can provide pure red. Cerium oxide is yellow. However, the safety of many powder materials is unknown. Nickel oxide presents a beautiful green color, but it is a toxic substance. So only use safe materials such as nano graphite, nano iron oxide and nano alumina ceramic particles. Or, the present silver gold powder is good enough. If you use powder, the weight of the powder depends on your design and theme. But in most common case, 10-20g nano powder is enough for you do draw a bird, a tree and a cat. The price of nano graphite iron oxide and alumina are also really cheap. 2-5$ That's my knowledge in special pen making materials. There may be some wrong because materials science is only my second major. If you see it you can help me to correct it. If you still have some special materials you can think of, just discuss it.
  2. The-Thinker

    Retipping material

    What are the requirements for retipping a nib ? Can it be done using affordable machine ? Share your experience ! I have recently bought a Chinese welder for 100$ does it do the job or does it need more sophisticated tools both for gold and steel nibs. Thank you in advance
  3. Mysterious Mose

    Comparative Costs Of Inks

    The costs of different inks vary considerably, even by a factor of almost 6. My question is: what do you get for your money? Why are some inks so much more expensive than others? Is there any common reason? My data for comparison are inks listed and priced in the Annual 2020 Fountain Pen Hospital catalogue. Other relevant inks are sold by other dealers. They're not listed here. Also, prices will vary. So here's the list, sorted from least expensive to most expensive. What is relevant is the price per ounce. Noodler's: $4.17/oz. - $13.50/oz. Diamine: $5.56/oz. - $14.29/oz. Parker: $6.00/oz. Sheaffer: $6.18/oz Private Reserve: $6.47/oz. Waterman: $7.06/oz. Sailor: $7.35/oz. - $14.71/oz. Pelikan 4001: $7.50/oz. Cross: $8.00/oz. Platinum: $10.00/oz. - $12.50/oz. Montegrappa: $11.76/oz. Montblanc: $12.00/oz. - $17.50/oz. Herbin non-shimmering: $12.00/oz. Ferris Wheel Press: $12.41/oz. Pilot (iroshizuku): $12.50/oz. Graf Von Faber-Castell: $12.80/oz. Visconti: $12.96/oz. Aurora: $14.81/oz. Herbin shimmering: $18.82/oz. Pelikan Edelstein: $20.59/oz. Caran D'Ache: $24.41/oz. Please feel free to add inks sold by other dealers.
  4. I've decided to impose a limit of ten pens on myself, in an effort to ensure that all of my pens are used, and not just sitting there. What's your pen limit? Why do you have one? Why don't you have one? I've also made myself promise never to spend too much on any one pen - do you have a top limit? What is it?
  5. jungkind

    M 800 Renaissance Brown

    The day before yesterday news broke about a new M800 Release, the Renaissance Brown. The Pelikanperch has a interesting article about the new release and is quoting some sources. Just wanted to add that The Couronne du Comte has an interesting offer until April 12 using KINGPELIKAN. For us outside of Europe (no VAT) it boils down to EURO 335.- (or around 360.- USD) shipping included. No affiliation
  6. Hi, I am new to this site and had a question regarding MB prices. I was bought a MB Meisterstuck Rollerball by my team at work, back in 2008. As our birthday budget back then was around £150-180, I assume that this is how much they cost then (I think that I also bought a Starwalker Rollerball as a gift, around then, at a similar price). Is this correct? I ask because I have just looked at the MB website and it looks like the same pen now costs £330?! I realise that it was 8 years ago, but could they really double the price in 8 years? Thanks!
  7. In the northern hemisphere from now until school starts, school supplies will be on sale. Many of us stock up on FP friendly supplies at this time of year. I've already picked up a few composition notebooks at the local WalMart for $0.69. What are you finding?
  8. If there is such a thing Inwould like to know. This is the opposite of this trail|. https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/283726-expensive-looking-inexpensive-pens/#entry3258953
  9. How common are beat-up pens that are perfect where it counts - nib, cap and body all sans micro-fractures and chips, discounting all dings, scratches, tooth marks and dents. I'm interested in something vintage which will last as a user, not a collector's piece. If these things are semi-readily found, how much of a difference would a battered body make to the price? Of would lovely nibs be taken out and put in something prettier? Cheers for your input!
  10. What price do pen shops and retailers pay for an M800 before selling on to the end user? Just curious..
  11. I use Waterman Phileas fountain pens to create drawings for my website www.TwelveDrawings.com Through my several years of buying, I have watched these wonderful pens creep up and up in price. I hear that back in France, they were strictly a school student's pen. In America, they once sold at Staples for about $20. When I bought my first one at Staples (2011) it was up to $50. I bought two more as gifts. One day, I dropped my pen (nib down onto concrete) and went back to Staples for another. The clerk said the pens were no longer made and suggested I check eBay. At that time (maybe 2012), new Phileas fountain pens were going for $70-90 on eBay. Online retail stores were listing the discontinued pens at $99+. Today, a quick check of eBay shows several black Phileas pens with an "Buy It Now" price of almost $200. The highest priced ones are black pens owned by speculators willing to wait for the market to come to them. Less costly items are typically used, out-of-box, an unusual color, or a Kultur. I have the pens I need and won't be buying any more unless I see a great buy on a new-in-the-box Phileas. If you know such a source, please share. Do you think this $20 pen is really worth paying triple digit prices? And why? Because it's THAT good? Because they are not made any more? Because you might resell it for a profit in the future? I'm okay with all three reasons.... maybe you have another one. — twelvedrawings.com
  12. msolok

    Levenger Ink Question

    Hey all. I have been looking at some Levenger inks that people seem to like. They have a nice bottle, colors look good and reports are they act well. But I am put off by the price. The bottles, according to the Levenger website, are 15ml in size but cost $12 each. Surely that can't be right. That's .80¢ per ml, making the ink some of the most expensive around (Pilot Iroshizuku is .56¢ per ml, and Pelikan Edelstein is .50¢ per ml in the US). Do the properties of the ink really justify the price? I mean Noodles is less than 1/5th the price.
  13. Serious journalers know the trouble of finding truly good journals at a good price. Cares such as blank pages, no showthrough, product availability, and reasonable hope of future availability over a decade or more really narrow the options and, in fact, may leave no good option. Attached is a cost-value study I conducted in 2013 based on the cost per square inch of paper surface. Taken into account were features (cf., above) as well as dimensions, page count, and price with shipping. My preference finally fell to Kunst & Papier, Item #100295: (5) Hardbound 8.25 x 11.75 journals priced at $199.99. No, they aren't inexpensive and they are massive, but they will serve for a long time. I am opting out of the smaller, trendy journals which always seem beset by forum threads addressing a mysterious reduction in paper quality, availability, and the like. Also attached are photos of the newly-arrived journals. The MB 149 and eyeglasses illustrate the sheer size of these journals. The 149 is going to be busy for a long time . . . I hope it will be a long time before I have to order again, and that K&P will still be there.





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