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The Origin Of Species, Akkerman And Gimborn !

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#21 Nandus

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Posted 17 August 2017 - 20:15

 

 

as an after thought,
 
the third variant of longneck-bottle came in a few different colors. I have seen blue-black, red,violet  and green.
 
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this photo is a part of my own collection
 
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Hi Odessa1944. That is a very nice collection of bottles you have. I have a question about the most right bottle ...the small bottle with yellow pale etiquette. Do you know what period it was made........1950 ties?

 

 

Odessa 1944, I'm so free to set the pics here above.....I hope that is ok.

Nandus

 

 

 

 

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#22 Nandus

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Posted 19 August 2017 - 12:49

Any one an idea ?  :)



#23 MarcS

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Posted 21 August 2017 - 05:06

i recall seeing an old advertisement for waterman ink in a similar bottle, but i do not know when waterman packaged their inks like so.



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Posted 22 August 2017 - 15:13

Great information and pictures - thanks for sharing! 

 

Question: How was ink contained in the neck of the earliest shown bottle, the one without a marble? 



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Posted 24 August 2017 - 21:11

These bottles show up on second hand site Marktplaats sometimes. While you're at it, don't forget to mention the famous Gimborn mannetje  ;)

 

 

 

 

Wonderful image!  Ik houd ervan!



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Posted 25 August 2017 - 01:24

I found a WATERMAN advertisement with the tall neck bottle from 1935:

 

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Posted 13 November 2018 - 14:32

I hope you don't mind me replying to an old thread 😆
I have a picture of a 'normal' ink bottle by the Gimborn company.

Love these glasses ❤

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Posted 11 February 2019 - 21:32

 

Hi Odessa1944. That is a very nice collection of bottles you have. I have a question about the most right bottle ...the small bottle with yellow pale etiquette. Do you know what period it was made........1950 ties?

 

 

Odessa 1944, I'm so free to set the pics here above.....I hope that is ok.

Nandus

 

 

 

 

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Although this question was asked in 2017, maybe some people are still interested in the answer.

In a cataloque from Gimborn , in 1956, this yellow label was seen in a photograph published in the cataloque. So yes, it is a fifties designed label.

Odessa



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Posted 11 February 2019 - 21:45

I found a WATERMAN advertisement with the tall neck bottle from 1935:

 

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The question sometimes encountered in this forum about this Waterman bottle and it`s Gimborn variant and which was first, is something I can now answer. In the archive of a former Gimborn employee, I found a patent for this bottle from the Gimborn company .  The gimborn bottle of this design was introduced in march 1933. It is unknown if Gimborn knew of the Waterman bottle. It could be possible according to a former director of Gimborn that Waterman had permission from the Gimborn-company but this information was before his time with the company and he doesn`t know.

odessa



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Posted 12 February 2019 - 15:00

Although this question was asked in 2017, maybe some people are still interested in the answer.

In a cataloque from Gimborn , in 1956, this yellow label was seen in a photograph published in the cataloque. So yes, it is a fifties designed label.

Odessa

Hi Odessa 1944, thanks for your reply !



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Posted 07 August 2019 - 15:22

I`m writing a book about the Gimborn inkbottles and thought that maybe someone is interested is some more info-photos about the Gimborn longneckbottle. It is of course in Dutch, but when I find the time I could translate it in english. I just hope the pics show up in this little article.

 

 

 

Flacon No 10

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Hoogte:

Breedte:

Hoogte: 120 mm

Breedte: 70 mm

Inhoud: 145 gram

Deze flacon werd in 1929 geïntroduceerd. Dit was de voorloper van de           bekende knikkerfles van Gimborn maar had zelf geen knikker maar een            soort leren zeefje. In Oktober 1933 werd hij vervangen voor het 2e model langhalsfles. Deze flacon is erg zeldzaam, er zijn maar 5 exemplaren bekend.           In maart 1933 verscheen deze flacon met schroefdop maar al in oktober           werd hij vervangen door het 2e model, zodoende zijn er geen overlevende exemplaren  met schroefdop bekend. Van de 5 bekende exemplaren met grijpkurk                                                   bestaan 2 varianten die iets verschillen in grootte. Hoewel erg zeldzaam  zijn                         er wel vrij  veel afbeeldingen van te vinden. De bodem van deze flacon is in glasreliëf  voorzien van de woorden "Gimborn  Doorn" of "Gimborn Zevenaar". Deze tekst is ook te vinden op  het metalen gedeelte van de grijpkurk. Drie verschillende etiketten werden gebruikt op deze flacon. Alleen vulpenhouder- of vulpeninkt werden gebruikt in deze flacon

 

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Normaal Vulpeninkt                                               Extra-fyne Vulpeninkt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                                                                                Vulpenhouderinkt Doorn

Onder afgebeeld staat de variant met bakelieten

schroefdop . Dit is een van  de weinige afbeeldingen

van deze flacon.

                                                                                        

                                                                                                                De 2 metalen grijpkurk-doppen gebruikt op deze

                                                                                                        flacon No 10 

 

                                                                                                                                                                                                                        

                                                                                                                                                                                          Flacon No 10  (No 210)

2e model langhalsfles

 

Hoogte: 144 mm

Breedte: 80 mm

Inhoud: 145 gram

Deze flacon is de opvolger van de flacon No 10 beschreven in het                                                                        vorige  hoofdstuk. In 1933 werd deze flacon ingevoerd. Officieel is het nummer van deze flacon No 210  maar in de jaren dertig gaf Gimborn een extra nummer voor de verschillende soorten inkt. Vulpeninkt viel in de 200-serie dus deze flacon is No 10 van de 200-serie, en dus No 210. Lastig te vinden, zijn deze flacons bekend met 2 verschillende etiketten, hoewel het 2e  etiket niet gedocumenteerd is en alleen bekend is uit verzamelingen. Op het glas in reliëf meegegoten staat de tekst                                                                        "Gimborn langhals". In begin  1934 werd een kleinere versie ingevoerd                                                              die in formaat verschilt. Deze kleinere  versie  met No 211 staat bekend                                                            als de  langhals-baby, wat ook in reliëf weer vermeld staat op de flacon. Van de langhals-baby zijn 2 varianten bekend waarbij de ene iets kleiner is ,het glas is dunner en de bakelieten dop is iets kleiner dan bij de andere variant.            Zowel de langhals als de langhals-baby  maken gebruik van een glazen knikker. Als de flacon op zijn kop gedraaid wordt en weer terug, voorkomt de knikker dat een gedeelte van de inkt terugstroomt naar onder en blijft in de hals staan. Hierdoor kan men een pen makkelijker vullen en kan de gehele inhoud van de flacon gebruikt worden zonder restant inkt.                                               

 

 

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Normaal Vulpeninkt                                              Extrafijne Ultramarijn inkt

 

Flacon No 10  (No 210)

3e model langhalsfles

 

Hoogte:

Breedte:

Inhoud: 145 gram

Ingevoerd in 1941 ter vervanging van het 2e model langhalsfles, onderscheid deze flacon zich door de 8 facetten en het ontbreken van de woorden "Gimborn langhals" in reliëf. Nog steeds onder de noemer No 210  en ook hier weer het kleinere broertje de langhals-baby die nu ook weer identiek is aan zijn grotere broer, uitgezonderd het formaat. Deze flacons zijn de laatste versies van de langhalsfles en zijn verdwenen in de jaren zestig. Aanvankelijk met zwarte of bruine bakelieten schroefdop, later met een gele schroefdop. Ook werd het etiket aangepast aan de tijd want in de  catalogus uit 1956 was het etiket uit de 40er jaren vervangen                                                                                voor een geel etiket en nog later voor een blauw etiket die zowel met zwarte schroefdop als met een gele schroefdop te vinden zijn. Ook dit 3e  model van de langhalsfles gebruikte de knikker in de hals. Deze flacons                                                     werden alleen gebruikt voor vulpeninkt of acteninkt ( een documentele inkt-                                                    die niet verbleekt). Verschillende kleuren vulpeninkt werden gebruikt in deze flacons, te weten zwart-blauw, zwart, rood,  blauw, groen, violet, oranje, bruin en karmijn                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        

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Normaal Vulpeninkt                                       Normaal Vulpeninkt rood

         

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                                                                                        Beide langhalsflessen met gele schroefdop

 


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Posted 07 August 2019 - 15:35

unfortunately  the pics don`t show up. that`s a bummer. 

 

managed to get some pics active.


Edited by odessa1944, 07 August 2019 - 16:19.


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Posted 07 August 2019 - 22:11

These photographs in post 31 are so useful from a historical, archival perspective. Lovely and useful bottles.

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 01:29

 

I`m writing a book about the Gimborn inkbottles and thought that maybe someone is interested is some more info-photos about the Gimborn longneckbottle. It is of course in Dutch, but when I find the time I could translate it in english. I just hope the pics show up in this little article.   ...

 

 

Hi,

 

sure, very interesting, my favourite bottles, even I only have some Akkerman ones.

 

So the 120mL Akkerman bottle of today (Dutch Masters edition) is based upon the 1933 introduced 2nd version, while the 60mL looks like the 1941 3rd version.

 

Can You say how man ink the three sizes of the 2nd version did contain?

 

Many thanks for so much informations and photos! Great post. :-)

 

Best wishes

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Posted 08 August 2019 - 02:14

I thought that the machine translations from Google were surprisingly readable.  But could you help with this one bit?

 

 

Deze flacons werden alleen gebruikt voor vulpeninkt of acteninkt 

 

G says "These vials were only used for fountain pen ink or action ink".  Perhaps "action ink" is a legit literal translation, but what is it, really?



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Posted 09 August 2019 - 08:51

I thought that the machine translations from Google were surprisingly readable.  But could you help with this one bit?

 

 

G says "These vials were only used for fountain pen ink or action ink".  Perhaps "action ink" is a legit literal translation, but what is it, really?

acteninkt  means ink for deeds ( so official papers)

acteninkt was a later ink appearing after documenteninkt ( ink for documents, sometimes dutch is so easy ! )   was discontinued after the war. the langhals bottle for acteninkt was only marked with an extra label on the neck saying "acteninkt". of course the ink itself was different from the ink in normal langhals bottles.

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 09:10

 

Hi,

 

sure, very interesting, my favourite bottles, even I only have some Akkerman ones.

 

So the 120mL Akkerman bottle of today (Dutch Masters edition) is based upon the 1933 introduced 2nd version, while the 60mL looks like the 1941 3rd version.

 

Can You say how man ink the three sizes of the 2nd version did contain?

 

Many thanks for so much informations and photos! Great post. :-)

 

Best wishes

Jens

 

according to the cataloque of 1939  the 2e model langhals bottle contains 145 grammes of ink  and the langhals baby bottle contains 70 grammes of ink. the difference between the two baby bottles  I don`t know.

I have one baby bottle that is empty and I filled it with water (up to an acceptable level, so not filled completely to the top) and it weight was 158 grammes and then I emptied the bottle and the weight of the empty bottle was about 98 grammes, so the smallest baby langhals bottle has a content of approx. 60 grammes. Mind you, I used a 50 year old scale much like the one in the picture

 

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 09:19

the text above in the article appears a bit funny, it is so because I am writing the book about the Gimborn bottles in Word.

when I copy and paste the Word-text on this page , it scrambles the text a little bit.  sorry for that !



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Posted 09 August 2019 - 09:43

the second model langhals bottle also came with another label. the strange thing about this, is that the label preceeds the bottle. the little devil on this label was dropped in 1925 in favor of a little titan figure. this bottle however saw the light of day in 1933. Ultramarijn is a kind of blue

 

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Posted 09 August 2019 - 10:07

for anyone interested, here is a picture of the back side of the baby langhals bottle.  the top label is from the store who sold the bottle. the lower label is a Gimborn label  saying "We guarantee every bottle of Gimborn fountain pen ink as real iron galnut ink for writing of unlimited documental value. this quarantee leans on the experience of 3 quarters of a century and an untarnished reputation of Gimborn ink "

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