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as an after thought,

 

the third variant of longneck-bottle came in a few different colors. I have seen blue-black, red,violet and green.

 

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this photo is a part of my own collection

 

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Hi Odessa1944. That is a very nice collection of bottles you have. I have a question about the most right bottle ...the small bottle with yellow pale etiquette. Do you know what period it was made........1950 ties?

Odessa 1944, I'm so free to set the pics here above.....I hope that is ok.

Nandus

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i recall seeing an old advertisement for waterman ink in a similar bottle, but i do not know when waterman packaged their inks like so.

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Great information and pictures - thanks for sharing!

 

Question: How was ink contained in the neck of the earliest shown bottle, the one without a marble?

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These bottles show up on second hand site Marktplaats sometimes. While you're at it, don't forget to mention the famous Gimborn mannetje ;)

 

 

 

 

Wonderful image! Ik houd ervan!

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I found a WATERMAN advertisement with the tall neck bottle from 1935:

 

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Hi Odessa1944. That is a very nice collection of bottles you have. I have a question about the most right bottle ...the small bottle with yellow pale etiquette. Do you know what period it was made........1950 ties?

Odessa 1944, I'm so free to set the pics here above.....I hope that is ok.

Nandus

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Although this question was asked in 2017, maybe some people are still interested in the answer.

In a cataloque from Gimborn , in 1956, this yellow label was seen in a photograph published in the cataloque. So yes, it is a fifties designed label.

Odessa

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I found a WATERMAN advertisement with the tall neck bottle from 1935:

 

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The question sometimes encountered in this forum about this Waterman bottle and it`s Gimborn variant and which was first, is something I can now answer. In the archive of a former Gimborn employee, I found a patent for this bottle from the Gimborn company . The gimborn bottle of this design was introduced in march 1933. It is unknown if Gimborn knew of the Waterman bottle. It could be possible according to a former director of Gimborn that Waterman had permission from the Gimborn-company but this information was before his time with the company and he doesn`t know.

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Although this question was asked in 2017, maybe some people are still interested in the answer.

In a cataloque from Gimborn , in 1956, this yellow label was seen in a photograph published in the cataloque. So yes, it is a fifties designed label.

Odessa

Hi Odessa 1944, thanks for your reply !

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I`m writing a book about the Gimborn inkbottles and thought that maybe someone is interested is some more info-photos about the Gimborn longneckbottle. It is of course in Dutch, but when I find the time I could translate it in english. I just hope the pics show up in this little article.

 

 

 

Flacon No 10

1e model langhalsfles103_2813_zpsrfkbae5q.jpg?t=1565106903

 

Hoogte:

Breedte:

Hoogte: 120 mm

Breedte: 70 mm

Inhoud: 145 gram

Deze flacon werd in 1929 geïntroduceerd. Dit was de voorloper van de bekende knikkerfles van Gimborn maar had zelf geen knikker maar een soort leren zeefje. In Oktober 1933 werd hij vervangen voor het 2e model langhalsfles. Deze flacon is erg zeldzaam, er zijn maar 5 exemplaren bekend. In maart 1933 verscheen deze flacon met schroefdop maar al in oktober werd hij vervangen door het 2e model, zodoende zijn er geen overlevende exemplaren met schroefdop bekend. Van de 5 bekende exemplaren met grijpkurk bestaan 2 varianten die iets verschillen in grootte. Hoewel erg zeldzaam zijn er wel vrij veel afbeeldingen van te vinden. De bodem van deze flacon is in glasreliëf voorzien van de woorden "Gimborn Doorn" of "Gimborn Zevenaar". Deze tekst is ook te vinden op het metalen gedeelte van de grijpkurk. Drie verschillende etiketten werden gebruikt op deze flacon. Alleen vulpenhouder- of vulpeninkt werden gebruikt in deze flacon

 

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Normaal Vulpeninkt Extra-fyne Vulpeninkt

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Vulpenhouderinkt Doorn

Onder afgebeeld staat de variant met bakelieten

schroefdop . Dit is een van de weinige afbeeldingen

van deze flacon.

 

De 2 metalen grijpkurk-doppen gebruikt op deze

flacon No 10

 

 

Flacon No 10 (No 210)

2e model langhalsfles

 

Hoogte: 144 mm

Breedte: 80 mm

Inhoud: 145 gram

Deze flacon is de opvolger van de flacon No 10 beschreven in het vorige hoofdstuk. In 1933 werd deze flacon ingevoerd. Officieel is het nummer van deze flacon No 210 maar in de jaren dertig gaf Gimborn een extra nummer voor de verschillende soorten inkt. Vulpeninkt viel in de 200-serie dus deze flacon is No 10 van de 200-serie, en dus No 210. Lastig te vinden, zijn deze flacons bekend met 2 verschillende etiketten, hoewel het 2e etiket niet gedocumenteerd is en alleen bekend is uit verzamelingen. Op het glas in reliëf meegegoten staat de tekst "Gimborn langhals". In begin 1934 werd een kleinere versie ingevoerd die in formaat verschilt. Deze kleinere versie met No 211 staat bekend als de langhals-baby, wat ook in reliëf weer vermeld staat op de flacon. Van de langhals-baby zijn 2 varianten bekend waarbij de ene iets kleiner is ,het glas is dunner en de bakelieten dop is iets kleiner dan bij de andere variant. Zowel de langhals als de langhals-baby maken gebruik van een glazen knikker. Als de flacon op zijn kop gedraaid wordt en weer terug, voorkomt de knikker dat een gedeelte van de inkt terugstroomt naar onder en blijft in de hals staan. Hierdoor kan men een pen makkelijker vullen en kan de gehele inhoud van de flacon gebruikt worden zonder restant inkt.

 

 

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Normaal Vulpeninkt Extrafijne Ultramarijn inkt

 

Flacon No 10 (No 210)

3e model langhalsfles

 

Hoogte:

Breedte:

Inhoud: 145 gram

Ingevoerd in 1941 ter vervanging van het 2e model langhalsfles, onderscheid deze flacon zich door de 8 facetten en het ontbreken van de woorden "Gimborn langhals" in reliëf. Nog steeds onder de noemer No 210 en ook hier weer het kleinere broertje de langhals-baby die nu ook weer identiek is aan zijn grotere broer, uitgezonderd het formaat. Deze flacons zijn de laatste versies van de langhalsfles en zijn verdwenen in de jaren zestig. Aanvankelijk met zwarte of bruine bakelieten schroefdop, later met een gele schroefdop. Ook werd het etiket aangepast aan de tijd want in de catalogus uit 1956 was het etiket uit de 40er jaren vervangen voor een geel etiket en nog later voor een blauw etiket die zowel met zwarte schroefdop als met een gele schroefdop te vinden zijn. Ook dit 3e model van de langhalsfles gebruikte de knikker in de hals. Deze flacons werden alleen gebruikt voor vulpeninkt of acteninkt ( een documentele inkt- die niet verbleekt). Verschillende kleuren vulpeninkt werden gebruikt in deze flacons, te weten zwart-blauw, zwart, rood, blauw, groen, violet, oranje, bruin en karmijn

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Normaal Vulpeninkt Normaal Vulpeninkt rood

 

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Beide langhalsflessen met gele schroefdop

 

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unfortunately the pics don`t show up. that`s a bummer.

 

managed to get some pics active.

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These photographs in post 31 are so useful from a historical, archival perspective. Lovely and useful bottles.

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I`m writing a book about the Gimborn inkbottles and thought that maybe someone is interested is some more info-photos about the Gimborn longneckbottle. It is of course in Dutch, but when I find the time I could translate it in english. I just hope the pics show up in this little article. ...

 

 

Hi,

 

sure, very interesting, my favourite bottles, even I only have some Akkerman ones.

 

So the 120mL Akkerman bottle of today (Dutch Masters edition) is based upon the 1933 introduced 2nd version, while the 60mL looks like the 1941 3rd version.

 

Can You say how man ink the three sizes of the 2nd version did contain?

 

Many thanks for so much informations and photos! Great post. :-)

 

Best wishes

Jens

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I thought that the machine translations from Google were surprisingly readable. But could you help with this one bit?

 

 

Deze flacons werden alleen gebruikt voor vulpeninkt of acteninkt

 

G says "These vials were only used for fountain pen ink or action ink". Perhaps "action ink" is a legit literal translation, but what is it, really?

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I thought that the machine translations from Google were surprisingly readable. But could you help with this one bit?

 

 

G says "These vials were only used for fountain pen ink or action ink". Perhaps "action ink" is a legit literal translation, but what is it, really?

acteninkt means ink for deeds ( so official papers)

acteninkt was a later ink appearing after documenteninkt ( ink for documents, sometimes dutch is so easy ! ) was discontinued after the war. the langhals bottle for acteninkt was only marked with an extra label on the neck saying "acteninkt". of course the ink itself was different from the ink in normal langhals bottles.

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Hi,

 

sure, very interesting, my favourite bottles, even I only have some Akkerman ones.

 

So the 120mL Akkerman bottle of today (Dutch Masters edition) is based upon the 1933 introduced 2nd version, while the 60mL looks like the 1941 3rd version.

 

Can You say how man ink the three sizes of the 2nd version did contain?

 

Many thanks for so much informations and photos! Great post. :-)

 

Best wishes

Jens

 

according to the cataloque of 1939 the 2e model langhals bottle contains 145 grammes of ink and the langhals baby bottle contains 70 grammes of ink. the difference between the two baby bottles I don`t know.

I have one baby bottle that is empty and I filled it with water (up to an acceptable level, so not filled completely to the top) and it weight was 158 grammes and then I emptied the bottle and the weight of the empty bottle was about 98 grammes, so the smallest baby langhals bottle has a content of approx. 60 grammes. Mind you, I used a 50 year old scale much like the one in the picture

 

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the text above in the article appears a bit funny, it is so because I am writing the book about the Gimborn bottles in Word.

when I copy and paste the Word-text on this page , it scrambles the text a little bit. sorry for that !

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the second model langhals bottle also came with another label. the strange thing about this, is that the label preceeds the bottle. the little devil on this label was dropped in 1925 in favor of a little titan figure. this bottle however saw the light of day in 1933. Ultramarijn is a kind of blue

 

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for anyone interested, here is a picture of the back side of the baby langhals bottle. the top label is from the store who sold the bottle. the lower label is a Gimborn label saying "We guarantee every bottle of Gimborn fountain pen ink as real iron galnut ink for writing of unlimited documental value. this quarantee leans on the experience of 3 quarters of a century and an untarnished reputation of Gimborn ink "

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