100th Anniversary editions

[JCC123]

Hmm, it appears that you fill it this way. 

 

Anyone interested can find the patent here: https://www.patentguru.com/US20230331027A1

[Lam1]

3 hours ago, JCC123 said:

Hmm, it appears that you fill it this way. 

 

Anyone interested can find the patent here: https://www.patentguru.com/US20230331027A1

 

Thank you for this. 

 

So, it is like a Pelikan Level (probably slightly modified). 

Thanks, but no thanks.

But I like my pens to be practical and not need dedicated bottles to fill (not that it matters, since it was outside my price range anyways).

 

But I can see this becoming a very collectible piece.

And it probably solves the problem of filling a pen with such a large nib!

 

The sad thing (for me) is that now they will not do a regular (i.e., piston fill) 149 in red 🥲.

[a student]

4 hours ago, JCC123 said:

Hmm, it appears that you fill it this way. 

 

Anyone interested can find the patent here: https://www.patentguru.com/US20230331027A1

While one appreciates the "technology", it is nonetheless a puzzle as to why the good folk at Montblanc felt the need to get into this, and then define it as a "traveller"? 

 

I for one would have some problem travelling with this interesting contraption, quite unlike the 147, if there is any thought of it being remotely used for something as practical as writing on the go. 

[Cyrille81]

5 hours ago, Lam1 said:

 

Thank you for this. 

 

So, it is like a Pelikan Level (probably slightly modified). 

Thanks, but no thanks.

But I like my pens to be practical and not need dedicated bottles to fill (not that it matters, since it was outside my price range anyways).

 

But I can see this becoming a very collectible piece.

And it probably solves the problem of filling a pen with such a large nib!

 

The sad thing (for me) is that now they will not do a regular (i.e., piston fill) 149 in red 🥲.

Montblanc will provide adapter for bottle with the pen, so not dedicated bottles to buy. At least it will be compatible with Montblanc bottles.

[JCC123]

The cleaning tool must be that bulb thing which means you attach it to the rear and force water out the nib?

[Lam1]

6 hours ago, Cyrille81 said:

Montblanc will provide adapter for bottle with the pen, so not dedicated bottles to buy. At least it will be compatible with Montblanc bottles.

 

That's a good thing, indeed. Thank you for clarifying.

 

Still not very practical, since it needs a dedicated cleaning tool.

 

 

If in the future they make one (minus all the unnecessary stuff) for the price of a regular 149, or a LE for the price of an Orient Express or thereabouts, I could consider getting one just for the geek factor. But if they make this a regular filling system, one is the most I'd ever consider.

 

 

[Seney724]

44 minutes ago, digitorum said:

Looks like the intended final user of this 149 Travelers pen is a person who travels a lot by plane. 

This filling system from the bottom, allows to create 2 separate ink tanks inside the pen, a smaller writing tank and the big tank, as they can be decoupled one from each other, the pressure difference on aircraft that can end up in spilling ink from the pen can be dramatically lowered using this system. It also permits not having to clean the nib unit after refilling, as the refilling is made through a precise and sealed coupling system between the pen and specific ink bottle. 

 

Small excerpt from the patent : 

 

Thanks @digitorum

I know I have seen this somewhere before.  I don't remember which FP manufacturer, though......

 

As far as I'm concerned, it's just one more thing to break or go wrong.  And require a time consuming, expensive repair process.

I fly a lot and have never had any problems with my FPs

 

If MB would make this in a standard 149 filling configuration I'd buy it in a minute.

But, as is, no way. 

[Seney724]

2 minutes ago, digitorum said:

@Seney724 my pleasure,

same for me, would take a normal red 149 any day, at 5k I prefer to get 4 or 5 different ones. This might be a sort of showcase or concept proof to see how it is received by the users and public interest.
 

I agree @digitorum

To my way of thinking, the 100th Anniversary would be a perfect occasion to celebrate the best things of the past century.  For example, wouldn't this 149 be fantastic if it had a 2024 version of the two stage telescopic filling system which makes the early, celluloid 149's (among others) so special!!

 

I really do not think this is the occasion, or the FP, for them to introduce something new and so fraught with risk of having mechanical problems until they get it perfected.

But, that's just my opinion.  Surely others will feel differently.

[jar]

I have a Parker 61, see no reason to look at the Montblanc.

[Karmachanic]

2 hours ago, digitorum said:

Well, MB patent actually

..... for example, in a commercial aircraft where the pressure at cruising altitude is significantly lower than on the ground, ink may sometimes leak from the nib assembly due to the reduced pressure acting on the piston tank.

 

How you say "shut-off valve" in English?  Ah yes, I remember.  Conid.

Yes.  I'm fully aware of her pens that use this technology.

[a student]

8 minutes ago, Karmachanic said:

 

How you say "shut-off valve" in English?  Ah yes, I remember.  Conid.

Yes.  I'm fully aware of her pens that use this technology.

 

Precisely!

[a student]

55 minutes ago, Seney724 said:

I really do not think this is the occasion, or the FP, for them to introduce something new and so fraught with risk of having mechanical problems until they get it perfected.

But, that's just my opinion.  Surely others will feel differently.

Yes, not clear who is the clientele for this gadget, other than the kind of collector able to afford every MB that comes up; or may be a well-heeled gadget geek?

[mulrich]

New technology should make using a product easier or provide more features. Not sure if this new filling system does either. Maybe for people who only use the pen occasionally this would be better than a piston but for anyone that uses fountain pens, I don’t see the appeal (but maybe that speaks to MBs target audience). We’ll see when real reviews start coming out. 

[kingofthehill]

The Meisterstück Origin 149 is back in stock on the Montblanc website:

 

https://www.montblanc.com/en-gb/fountain-pens_cod1647597341706334.html

 

It is also in stock through Goldsmiths and through Mappin & Webb, both of which are authorised retailers that are part of the same group:

 

https://www.goldsmiths.co.uk/Montblanc-Meisterstück-The-Origin-Collection-149-Fountain-Pen-Black-131336/p/38640741?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4ri0BhAvEiwA8oo6F_WiDUQseExfNPhjczkRAlC3MiEmNOJ4DD0sPJ51sZj1Y9gkCxSH2xoCZvwQAvD_BwE

 

https://www.mappinandwebb.com/Montblanc-Meisterstück-The-Origin-Collection-149-Fountain-Pen-Black-131336/p/38640741

[Seney724]

36 minutes ago, kingofthehill said:

The Meisterstück Origin 149 is back in stock on the Montblanc website:

 

https://www.montblanc.com/en-gb/fountain-pens_cod1647597341706334.html

 

It is also in stock through Goldsmiths and through Mappin & Webb, both of which are authorised retailers that are part of the same group:

 

https://www.goldsmiths.co.uk/Montblanc-Meisterstück-The-Origin-Collection-149-Fountain-Pen-Black-131336/p/38640741?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4ri0BhAvEiwA8oo6F_WiDUQseExfNPhjczkRAlC3MiEmNOJ4DD0sPJ51sZj1Y9gkCxSH2xoCZvwQAvD_BwE

 

https://www.mappinandwebb.com/Montblanc-Meisterstück-The-Origin-Collection-149-Fountain-Pen-Black-131336/p/38640741

Good to see it is available in the UK.

The Montblanc USA website still shows the pen as sold out.  Perhaps this will change sometime soon.........

[arcfide]

I like the idea of a new filling system. One of the challenges I encounter with some of the better large capacity systems that are easy to fill is the need to manually "unlock" the seal on them when writing. This was an advantage of the Diplomat Nexxus, and makes that pen quite easy to use, whereas the 823 is a joy to fill, but less fun to use since the opened end isn't as nice. The Konid pens are quite cool, but I think they too have a shut-off valve that needs to be opened to do normal writing? Also, if the filling on this pen turns out to be quite clean, that's a big advantage to me when traveling, because it means having a nice bottle fill pen that doesn't require constant tissues on hand when I refill. I write enough that I can find myself needing to refill while traveling. With larger pens, the large feed collects a lot of ink, and a lot of ink is wasted when filling, potentially. 

 

ETA: I think it would also be nice if it made it possible to use smaller bottles more readily with larger pens. A 149 can be a chore to fill from smaller bottles that aren't full if you're traveling and don't want to carry a bunch of stuff with you. That often means I'm encouraged to carry a full, large bottle of ink to go with the pen. Might be nice to have a smaller bottle with me! 

[Karmachanic]

1 hour ago, arcfide said:

With larger pens, the large feed collects a lot of ink, and a lot of ink is wasted when filling, potentially.

 

80% fill, hold pen nib up and continue to turn piston to suck ink from the feed into the barrel.

 

1 hour ago, arcfide said:

Might be nice to have a smaller bottle with me! 

 

Visconti ink well, or a 60/30 ml nalgene jar.

[arcfide]

57 minutes ago, Karmachanic said:

 

80% fill, hold pen nib up and continue to turn piston to suck ink from the feed into the barrel.

 

 

Visconti ink well, or a 60/30 ml nalgene jar.

 

Filling the pen and sucking out ink from the feed can work for some pens, but not all. Some pens still leave an excessive amount of ink on the nib and within the feed even after such operations. Sailor is probably the worst offender for me, if I'm remembering it all right. 

 

The Visconti ink well is a neat product. The 30ml Nalgenes have the same problem that any small jar has, which is the difficulty in getting ink out of them if they aren't quite full if you are using large nibs like a #8 or #9. 

[Karmachanic]

42 minutes ago, arcfide said:

Sailor is probably the worst offender for me

 

Not a piston, but CC.  Syringe fill the CC and leave nib down for 30 seconds or so.  Top up the CC if you wish.  Or use the larger capacity reinforced spare cartridges.  No flooding.

 

Granted 30ml nalgene is not ideal for larger nibbed pens.  There's the 60ml bottle, but yes, that eventually will lead to the same problem.  So the Visconti.  Or two.

 

Anyway.  Back to the 100th Aniversary.  I'm happy with the standard model.  The froufrou does nothing to enhance the writing experience, and I feel no need to impress myself.

 

 

[arcfide]

1 hour ago, Karmachanic said:

Not a piston, but CC.  Syringe fill the CC and leave nib down for 30 seconds or so.  Top up the CC if you wish.  Or use the larger capacity reinforced spare cartridges.  No flooding.

 

Each of these solutions comes with trade-offs that are somewhat inconvenient. The point I was making is that the potential benefits of a new filling system as the one in the documents above are not just redundant, and that they could actually make life nicer depending on your needs by addressing many of these trade-offs.