2016 Montblanc Writers Edition - William Shakespeare

[meiers]

I'm looking forward to hearing all about it in April.

[sunnerd]

Hmm, maybe lawyers can comment.

If I take a picture of a pen in a brochure that was shown to me at a boutique, and I post it in the Internet with my own comments plus photoshop modification. Can MB sue me and win?

 

If they can, then why can't people stop Richard Prince who takes others' Instagram photos, resize them and sell for tens of thousands of dollars?

http://www.diyphotography.net/how-richard-prince-sells-other-peoples-instagram-photos-for-100000/

Edited March 1, 2016 by sunnerd

[jamesgibby]

Hmm, maybe lawyers can comment.

If I take a picture of a pen in a brochure that was shown to me at a boutique, and I post it in the Internet with my own comments plus photoshop modification. Can MB sue me and win?

If they can, then why can't people stop Richard Prince who takes others' Instagram photos, resize them and sell of tens of thousands of dollars?

http://www.diyphotography.net/how-richard-prince-sells-other-peoples-instagram-photos-for-100000/

That is an American court ruling. Not sure how other jurisdictions would handle a similar case. In my view if you made a sketch from a pen in a boutique or from your memory then I doubt much can be done if you created such a sketch In your own style and don't present it as a sketch of a leaked drawing

[dubhe]

I think this is all very positive, how many forums get to discuss issues directly with the manufacturers? Montblanc takes FPN seriously and wants to satisfy the needs of both sides.

[penparadise]

… Montblanc actually did ask us in a very friendly email to please hide the discussions on the pens to be announced April 5.

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So - as the 5th of April has passed and others already posting infos and pics - will it be ok to publish this link?

http://dangordon.me/post/137808549243/as-well-as-the-main-focus-of-watches-at-sihh

[Mastiff]

 

So - as the 5th of April has passed and others already posting infos and pics - will it be ok to publish this link?

http://dangordon.me/post/137808549243/as-well-as-the-main-focus-of-watches-at-sihh

Thank you very much for sharing the photo.

Personally I would much prefer the OMAS version. Yes I do realise there would be quite a price difference

[wimg]

politely asked by FPN or by MB ?

 

Either way, what a total bunch of BS

 

This is a copyright issue. And FPN is liable and responsible in such cases, it is that simple, whether you like it or not.

 

You cannot and are not allowed to post any copyrighted material on FPN, it says so clearly in the rules.

 

It will be removed, and to be very honest, the team and I get rather annoyed by remarks like this by now. If you do not have express, official and written permission from Montblanc or any other company or individual to post their copyrighted material, it will not only be removed, but actions will be taken as well against individuals who do.

 

These are the rules of engagement here. Take it or leave it.

 

Regards, Wim

Chief FPN Admin

[salesguy]

So - as the 5th of April has passed and others already posting infos and pics - will it be ok to publish this link?

http://dangordon.me/post/137808549243/as-well-as-the-main-focus-of-watches-at-sihh

Probably not.

 

😉

[wimg]

That raises a copyright issue. The image belongs to MB.

 

Exactly, thank you!

 

Warm regards, Wim

[wimg]

 

Yes, I'd think that this is correct? Once it's out, it's out.

 

The copyright owner is Montblanc. Without permission, no posting of copyrighted materials is allowed, full stop.

Warm regards, Wim

[salesguy]

Polite question - how do you *know* the image belongs to MB? How do you *know* that the person who posted the image isn't the copyright owner, with the image taken freely & under no restrictions?

[wimg]

I do hope all is clear by now, it is about copyright issues, and we as FPN are responsible and liable when copyrighted material is posted, even if it is not posted by the FPN moderator and admin team itself.

 

Discussions here are fine, but posting copies or a copy of any material which is copyrighted is not, and that is true for all of FPN, and any material that carries copyright.

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

[wimg]

Polite question - how do you *know* the image belongs to MB? How do you *know* that the person who posted the image isn't the copyright owner, with the image taken freely & under no restrictions?

 

You know when you have either seen the copyrighted material before, or when the copyright owner approaches you.

 

If it is an image taken of your own property, and you are the poster, there is no issue, unless it is a copy of copyrighted material. In the latter case, generally speaking, it is fine for private use, but not for public use. This is why a photograph, taken by you, of your own pen, is not an issue at all. Using a photograph downloaded from a company's site, or material without permission to publish, is.

 

With the recent posts made by myself showing official Montblanc images, we actually had the permission to do so; we even had a scoop, as we were the first allowed to publish them. However, this is not possible without cooperation, it is a matter of give and take.

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

[salesguy]

I do hope all is clear by now, it is about copyright issues, and we as FPN are responsible and liable when copyrighted material is posted, even if it is not posted by the FPN moderator and admin team

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

Perhaps not:

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-35987353

[Xof72000]

I do hope all is clear by now, it is about copyright issues, and we as FPN are responsible and liable when copyrighted material is posted, even if it si not posted by the FPN moderator and admin team itself.

 

Discussions here are fine, but posting copies or a copy of any material which is copyrighted is not, and that is true for all of FPN, and any material that carries copyright.

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

 

Sorry Wim, this is not completely clear to me : does it mean that ANY picture, taken from the internet (and even from the Montblanc website for instance) is NOT allowed to be published here, unless I did get the authorization of the brand ?

[wimg]

 

Sorry Wim, this is not completely clear to me : does it mean that ANY picture, taken from the internet (and even from the Montblanc website for instance) is NOT allowed to be published here, unless I did get the authorization of the brand ?

 

When it comes down to that, yes. The brand, company, individual or legal entity who holds the copyright.

 

Unless it is a copyright-free image, or an image for which you have permission to post, you cannot post here.

 

Of course, your own images fall under the category of images with permission. Also note that we specifically state that we, FPN, do not become the copyright holders of any images posted on FPN, only that we are allowed to use them here. That is deliberate. It means that no one is allowed to copy those images either other than for personal, private use. The copyright stays with the owner.

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

[Mastiff]

This must be difficult for Wim as well guys, lets just cool and wait until we get the approval from MB....

[Xof72000]

 

When it comes down to that, yes. The brand, company, individual or legal entity who holds the copyright.

 

Unless it is a copyright-free image, or an image for which you have permission to post, you cannot post here.

 

Of course, your own images fall under the category of images with permission. Also note that we specifically state that we, FPN, do not become the copyright holders of any images posted on FPN, only that we are allowed to use them here. That is deliberate. It means that no one is allowed to copy those images either other than for personal, private use. The copyright stays with the owner.

 

HTH, warm regards, Wim

 

Thanks for clarifying.

So, in fact, the pictures shown in those posts (taken from other forums) should also be remooved, as they seems to be non copiright-free ones :

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/302280-grand-palace/?p=3588173

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/301298-m805-vibrant-blue-due-2016/?p=3522070

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/293284-new-pelikan-m800-burnt-orange/?p=3400524

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/254707-which-conway-stewart-are-you-using-today/?p=3049533

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/254707-which-conway-stewart-are-you-using-today/?p=2838032

 

And I'm sure they are many more to be spotted...

[jar]

 

Sorry Wim, this is not completely clear to me : does it mean that ANY picture, taken from the internet (and even from the Montblanc website for instance) is NOT allowed to be published here, unless I did get the authorization of the brand ?

Just some additional info.

 

Over the years I have found quite a few of my fountain pens for sale and even being reviewed and featured on blogs. Usually that just makes me laugh, we are only talking about fountain pens and so not anything really important but the for sale instances really bug me. In those cases I try to get the item removed since the person is NOT selling the thing pictured and it's a con; sometime simply a con through ignorance but still totally dishonest.

[wimg]

 

Thanks for clarifying.

So, in fact, the pictures shown in those posts (taken from other forums) should also be remooved, as they seems to be non copiright-free ones :

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/302280-grand-palace/?p=3588173

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/301298-m805-vibrant-blue-due-2016/?p=3522070

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/293284-new-pelikan-m800-burnt-orange/?p=3400524

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/254707-which-conway-stewart-are-you-using-today/?p=3049533

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/254707-which-conway-stewart-are-you-using-today/?p=2838032

 

And I'm sure they are many more to be spotted...

 

I am pretty sure some of them need to be removed indeed.

 

Warm regards, Wim