Why are Pilot converters so trash

[RJS]

21 minutes ago, Number99 said:

I watched this video.

You can see the length of the tubule in the center of the converter at around the 4 minute mark.

 

I am not talking about the difference between the CON-70 and CON-70N in Goulet's video, but the difference between the CON-70N in the image I quoted and the CON-70N in his video.

 

Perhaps the latest CON-70N would fill up with ink as full as in Hakase's video, but if the narrow tube is short, it may not do so due to bubbles.

If you discuss them as the same converter, you will not notice the difference in perception.

It is possible that at least three different CON-70(N) with different performance could have been discussed as the same converter.

 

And please, please check the video you yourself quoted before replying.

The phases and topics are confusing.

 

I was referring to this thread, not the video.

Ah, I didn't see that video before, I was responding to this video you shared:

[Number99]

31 minutes ago, RJS said:

Ah, I didn't see that video before, I was responding to this video you shared:

..?

You quoted in your reply to me the post where I mentioned Goulet's video...

🤷.

I will stop posting about this now.

[RJS]

58 minutes ago, Number99 said:

..?

You quoted in your reply to me the post where I mentioned Goulet's video...

🤷.

I will stop posting about this now.

Mate, I'm confused now too. I was the one that brought up the Goulet video, so of course I couldn't have discussed it without watching it. 😵‍💫 Though I never linked to it. I agree we should just drop this conversation, and I won't ask which video you were telling me to watch or thought I didn't watch. Kind regards.

[Number99]

2 hours ago, RJS said:

Mate, I'm confused now too. I was the one that brought up the Goulet video, so of course I couldn't have discussed it without watching it. 😵‍💫 Though I never linked to it. I agree we should just drop this conversation, and I won't ask which video you were telling me to watch or thought I didn't watch. Kind regards.

I could infer from your current reply that you habitually quote previous Last posts and reply about various things.

 

However, I consider a quoted reply to be a reply only about the quoted post. I assume others do as well.

 

If you can find the two types of CON-70N in the video and images so far, maybe your mystery is solved.

 

over-

😁

 

P.S.

It was very informative for me to find CON-70N with short narrow tubes in the Goulet video I cited, by accident, in this thread.

 

 

Edited June 15, 2024 by Number99

[Number99]

Not that you asked, but I will explain.

2 hours ago, RJS said:

 which video you were telling me to watch or thought I didn't watch

It's the Goulet video you quoted and didn't post a link to.

But then it turned out that there was more than one Goulet video.

But that led to a fortuitous discovery. 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2024 by Number99
I realized that I had misinterpreted the English, so I have made a major correction.

[knarflj]

On 1/29/2023 at 8:05 PM, AmandaW said:

I refill the cartridge. No waste. Or cost other than the ink from big bottles. One cartridge per pen, when it's empty I either top up with the same ink or clean and fill with a different ink if I feel like it. Cartridges hold more ink than the Con40 or 50 and those still need to be cleaned too. I haven't had a cartridge fail yet - no moving parts, I guess- but it has only been 5 years.

 

I still use converters in some pens, have nothing against them (except Con70, which I just use in the same manner as  an empty cartridge), but they're not the only option. I'm treating the empty cartridge as if it were a converter, not trying to reseal them.

 

With a blunt syringe they're easy to fill and clean (blast water into the cartridge with the same blunt syringe, opening pointing down for least mess). Sometimes I might use an ultrasonic- mine came from Aldi- but I have that for cleaning pens anyway. If a cartridge needs that much effort the whole pen is going on the cleaning pile anyway.

 

@AmandaW, @InkyColors, and anyone else who mentioned using cartridges and refilling, thank you!  I have been trying to figure out the best way to get rid of my Custom 74 after two Con-70 converters failed after a relatively short period of use.  I wasn't about to pay for yet another, faulty converter but I never thought of trying cartridges--as a rule, I prefer converters, but I've had such awful experience with the Con-70 that perhaps cartridges will save the pen for me.

[RJS]

7 hours ago, knarflj said:

 

@AmandaW, @InkyColors, and anyone else who mentioned using cartridges and refilling, thank you!  I have been trying to figure out the best way to get rid of my Custom 74 after two Con-70 converters failed after a relatively short period of use.  I wasn't about to pay for yet another, faulty converter but I never thought of trying cartridges--as a rule, I prefer converters, but I've had such awful experience with the Con-70 that perhaps cartridges will save the pen for me.

Was it the old CON-70? Or the new 70N?

[Number99]

I confirm that there are at least two variants of the CON-70 (not 70N.).

The first variant had a silver cylinder and a transparent cylinder fixed with screws and glue and could be dismantled.

I assume that if this was twisted too hard when detaching and attaching, it could cause ink leaks.

I assume that a non-disassemblable variant was subsequently introduced and probably eliminated the ink leakage problem.

 

It is possible that the thread is now discussing four different variants of the CON-70(N) as one and the same converter.

 

I don't think it was intended to confuse anyone, but the confusion on this thread has returned.

 

Edited June 18, 2024 by Number99

[knarflj]

8 hours ago, RJS said:

Was it the old CON-70? Or the new 70N?

 

I'm not enough of an expert to distinguish the variations.  I bought the pen in the fall of 2019, and don't remember exactly when I replaced the original converter, which had started spitting ink or water out the end when filling or cleaning.  The new one started leaking into the barrel a few months ago.  Both converters were silver, neither was able to be disassembled.  I think the newer one had a slightly different action from the original one, though.  Sorry I can't be more specific.

 

To be fair, I should say I've never had any problems with my other Pilot converters, although there are things I don't like about the Con-20 (can't see ink level) and Con-40 (not the easiest to fill).  Wish I'd bought a couple more Con-50s before they disappeared,

[RJS]

3 hours ago, Number99 said:

It is possible that the thread is now discussing four different variants of the CON-70(N) as one and the same converter.

 

I don't know why they've always had variants of their largest converter. I wish they just get one to operate perfectly and stick with it! I've had various Pilot converters over the decades that were on paper "the same" but had minor differences in actual fact. Sometimes they'll issue slightly different versions that are included with pens vs the ones you can buy separately. What their thinking on the subject is I wouldn't dare guess at.

[Number99]

17 hours ago, RJS said:

I don't know why they've always had variants of their largest converter. I wish they just get one to operate perfectly and stick with it! I've had various Pilot converters over the decades that were on paper "the same" but had minor differences in actual fact. Sometimes they'll issue slightly different versions that are included with pens vs the ones you can buy separately. What their thinking on the subject is I wouldn't dare guess at.

Indeed, Pilot Corporation of America seems to label CON-70N in its catalog as CON-70, unlike the Japanese market. I am not too concerned about it, as it is the equivalent of $4-$6 in Japan, and I am observing it as a phenomenon.

I believe that the pilot did not intentionally release various variations at the same time, but rather that the variations increased naturally along the timeline as a result of improvements.

I am under the impression that pilot converters are being improved just like cars and cameras.

 

But I know there was a time when this thread was emotionally confusing and I'm trying to explain it so it doesn't happen again.

I don't think there can be a discussion between those who are talking about the latest CON-70N and those who are talking about the earliest CON-70.

 

Incidentally, most CON-70(N) operational failures are usually caused by user errors in installation, and the typical symptom is that air is sucked in from the connection points. If air is sucked into the ink channel, there is a possibility that ink will seep out from there.

It is said that this can be remedied by pushing the converter in deeper.

As a guide, some people describe a firm installation response, while others check to see if it is installed correctly by aspirating ink or water.

 

[XYZZY]

5 hours ago, Number99 said:

Indeed, Pilot Corporation of America seems to label CON-70N in its catalog as CON-70, unlike the Japanese market. I am not too concerned about it, as it is the equivalent of $4-$6 in Japan, and I am observing it as a phenomenon.

I believe that the pilot did not intentionally release various variations at the same time, but rather that the variations increased naturally along the timeline as a result of improvements.

I am under the impression that pilot converters are being improved just like cars and cameras.

 

But I know there was a time when this thread was emotionally confusing and I'm trying to explain it so it doesn't happen again.

I don't think there can be a discussion between those who are talking about the latest CON-70N and those who are talking about the earliest CON-70.

 

Incidentally, most CON-70(N) operational failures are usually caused by user errors in installation, and the typical symptom is that air is sucked in from the connection points. If air is sucked into the ink channel, there is a possibility that ink will seep out from there.

It is said that this can be remedied by pushing the converter in deeper.

As a guide, some people describe a firm installation response, while others check to see if it is installed correctly by aspirating ink or water.

 

I think another common source of user error is not holding the pen vertically. That’s especially common when people are trying to fill from a near-empty bottle. 
 

i have not tried to experiment with both 70 and 70N to see if the newer model is less sensitive to being held at an angle.