Waterman Embleme

[Peter_H]

On 1/30/2022 at 7:06 PM, Crowsfoot said:

I have just got one from Amazon UK for £19.99 (Jan '22).

 

That’s a very good price - I paid more than that from eBay a few months ago.   I think some of your comments are quite harsh - comparing to Chinese pens is not really fair, as most of their pens are based on the Western (or Japanese) big names.  My wife’s Parker Sonnet clone (Jinhao) was under a tenner including converter and is a truly outstanding writer.

 

Can’t comment on the cartridges (never use them), but Waterman’s own push converter is fine.  Do you need a threaded one for some reason?   I love my big steel Eiffel Tower F nib, but each to their own.  They can start slightly dry, but mine eased up a lot after being left overnight - or you could try flushing it out a bit.  I really enjoy writing with mine but, as I said, each to their own.

 

Trust you find a better fit next time.

[donnweinberg]

I recently purchased a red Embléme with a medium nib.  It doesn't comes with a converter, so I purchased a Waterman converter also.  For the pen plus the converter, I paid USD $72.18 (plus tax).  The nib is awful; it is a dry writer and very scratchy, even though a magnified view showed it to be aligned properly.  So, the pen is a poor value as an entry-level fountain pen.  I like its looks, though, as I tend to prefer the simple lines that remind me of the 1950s and 1960s (I'm 68).  I even tried replacing the Waterman nib with a German (Schmidt) medium stainless steel nib; that nib was longer than the Waterman nib, but it fit fine.  The substitute nib wrote better than the Waterman nib, but it still wrote on the very dry side.  I've since given up on the pen, cleaned it out, replaced the Waterman nib on it, and stored it with other fountain pens.  Here are a few photos.

    

[Peter_H]

On 4/30/2022 at 11:44 PM, donnweinberg said:

So, the pen is a poor value as an entry-level fountain pen.

 

I have read around a bit more and, judging from the comments, the quality control for these pens must be very poor.  Too many bad examples out there in a product line blatantly over-hyped by Waterman.  I fear that you paid roughly double what the pen is really worth - the red bodied one is difficult to find on sale, unlike the ivory, grey, black or blue (which I have).

 

It’s a shame: the whole thing undermines the Waterman brand, even if those of us who “luck out” get a nice pen.  Mine works great with Diamine Turquoise ink in a converter, never had any issues.

[jchch1950]

The Waterman Emblem that I have is a good writer but the nib is like a nail. I use only Waterman long cartridges without any problem.Maybe the target market is not an easy one, expensive if you compare it with the Parker Vector LX or Lamy Safari and it is not specially different from the design of many other brands.The Waterman Phileas had a peculiar design and was sold in many exclusive colours and patterns. To have a good seller pen manufactures should offer writing instruments with a nice body that is in the right price range .

[Peter_H]

10 hours ago, jchch1950 said:

The Waterman Phileas had a peculiar design and was sold in many exclusive colours and patterns.

 

As it happens, I also have a Phileas, with EF nib.  When I first got it, I noticed it behaved somewhat differently to my other pens.  I now think that its steel nib behaves a bit like a real gold nib!  I now like it - a lot.

[Maloney]

I bought this pen as an everyday in my pocket if I lose it shopping at the market pen, I won’t feel a financial

loss.

It did write scratchy and tended to skip a bit so I gave it a good flush and 12 hour soak in tap water.  Now it writes well for it’s use - I use the Waterman Mystery Blue cartridges.

 

 

 

[Peter_H]

On 7/2/2022 at 8:36 PM, Maloney said:

Now it writes well for it’s use - I use the Waterman Mystery Blue cartridges.

 

Interesting - I made some changes to my pen line-up, following an acquisition, and now solely use Waterman Mysterious Blue in my Emblème (with a converter).  It seems to like this particular ink the best of all!

[mr T.]

Is the Embléme like the Allure also made in China?

[Peter_H]

On 9/2/2022 at 11:54 PM, mr T. said:

Is the Embléme like the Allure also made in China?

 

From what I can establish, it is “meticulously crafted” in France.

 

In terms of parts (apart from the cap), it is very similar to the now discontinued Phileas.  Cosmetic differences aside, the nib and feed are probably identical.

[mr T.]

On 9/4/2022 at 2:11 PM, Peter_H said:

In terms of parts (apart from the cap), it is very similar to the now discontinued Phileas.  Cosmetic differences aside, the nib and feed are probably identical.

It also is similar to the Kultur. It seems that the Kultur is available (again) for about a third of the retailprice of the Embleme.

[Peter_H]

1 hour ago, mr T. said:

It also is similar to the Kultur. It seems that the Kultur is available (again) for about a third of the retailprice of the Embleme.

The Emblème is blatantly overpriced! 

 

Interesting to know about the Kultur - thanks. 😊

[jchch1950]

On 9/7/2022 at 1:56 PM, mr T. said:

It also is similar to the Kultur. It seems that the Kultur is available (again) for about a third of the retailprice of the Embleme.

Good news. Do you hve any more information about the availability of the Kultur reissue?

[mr T.]

On 9/14/2022 at 10:40 AM, jchch1950 said:

Good news. Do you hve any more information about the availability of the Kultur reissue?

The Kultur can be found here (not affiliated) and at many other online shops.