Jump to content

Improving Handwriting For Everyday Purposes - Getty-Dubay, Fred Eager, Palmer Method Or Spencerian?


Verdict

Recommended Posts

Hello everyone, I'm a newbie to the world of fountain pens and I'd like to start by improving my handwriting. My job requires me to write a lot more than I expected so I'd like to make an effort to improve it.

 

There are times where I'll have a proper desk to work in, and other times where I won't, so practicality and adaptability is key. I won't be able to choose what type of paper I write with, so using fine inks or special nibs won't be appreciated, sadly.

 

I've bought a couple of Pilot V-Pens, disposable fountain pens, to get started. I've used these before and the ink doesn't bleed through the paper I encounter everyday and doesn't blob.

 

Based on my research, the following books/methods seem to be popular for improving handwriting:

 

  • Write Now: The Complete Program For Better Handwriting by Barbara Getty and Inga Dubay
  • The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting: Cursive and Calligraphic by Fred Eager
  • The Palmer Method of Business Handwriting (is this the title of a book or just the system? Not sure.)
  • Spencerian Handwriting

From what I know, Spencerian handwriting requires a proper desk to write on and requires proper form which I won't be able to execute properly on a daily basis. Eager's method seems to require specific nib sizes and I only have the V-pen to start with.

 

My other concern is that I want to eventually develop my personal style of handwriting and not just replicate a single style letter for letter. I read somewhere that this is quite childish as adults will have incorporated their own character to their handwriting, even if it's based on an existing system.

 

Based on the above, what resource would you recommend to improve handwriting, or would you suggest something differently entirely?

 

I appreciate your help and look forward to reading your posts.

Edited by Verdict
Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • Replies 31
  • Created
  • Last Reply

Top Posters In This Topic

  • Verdict

    7

  • aalmcc4

    2

  • Inky.Fingers

    2

  • RoyalBlueNotebooks

    2

Write now worked for me.

PAKMAN

minibanner.gif                                    

        My Favorite Pen Restorer                                            

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have used both the Palmer Method and The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting: Cursive and Calligraphic. The Italic Way was not helpful for me especially for everyday writing. I am currently going through the Palmer Method and find it helpful for improving everyday handwriting. You can find the full book online here: is a slow calligraphy script so it's not very good for everyday writing, but your handwriting will look beautiful.

 

Anyway you go, the most important things for improving handwriting are to learn are good arm movement and keeping letter heights and widths consistent. The Palmer Method teaches those things as does many other methods like the Zanerian Manual. You'll probably want to try a few methods out pick the one you like the best.

Currently inked:

- Pilot Custom 743 <M> with Pilot Black

- Pelikan M120 Iconic Blue <B> with Pilot Blue

- Lamy Studio All Black <M> with Pilot Blue-Black

YouTube fountain pen reviews: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2qU4nlAfdZpQrSakktBMGg/videos

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Write now worked for me.

 

Thanks.

 

Does the book provide any sort of insights onto how to develop your own style of handwriting?

Link to comment
Share on other sites

I have used both the Palmer Method and The Italic Way to Beautiful Handwriting: Cursive and Calligraphic. The Italic Way was not helpful for me especially for everyday writing. I am currently going through the Palmer Method and find it helpful for improving everyday handwriting. You can find the full book online here: is a slow calligraphy script so it's not very good for everyday writing, but your handwriting will look beautiful.

 

Anyway you go, the most important things for improving handwriting are to learn are good arm movement and keeping letter heights and widths consistent. The Palmer Method teaches those things as does many other methods like the Zanerian Manual. You'll probably want to try a few methods out pick the one you like the best.

 

Thanks for that. I've heard good things about Eager's book, but perhaps I'll give it a go when I'm ready for more decorative rather than practical writing.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A personalized style of handwriting develops itself naturally as you become familiar and comfortable with whichever script you are learning. Iow, once you get to stage where you don't have to think about letter formation, slant, etc., and can just think about what you're writing, your handwriting will start personalizing itself.

 

As for which text to use, I would suggest choosing the script first. If you love the script, you will practice it. If you don't, you won't. :)

 

So if you really admire italic and want to learn that, go for Mr. Eager's book. (I haven't seen Write Now, so that might do the trick for you, too, but I have and can highly recommend Eager's text. I do have another Getty-Dubay text out of the library at the moment: Italic Letters: Calligraphy and Handwriting; that one looks good, too.)

 

If you want to learn a more traditional American-style cursive hand, go to iampeth.com, browse the texts on business hand available for download in the rare books section there, and pick the one you like the look of best (Palmer method is basically just one variant of the business hand). Mills' Modern Business Penmanship is frequently recommended on these forums.

 

Any handwriting is best executed at the right desk and chair, but any hand can be written in less ideal situations. And although formal Spencerian needs a flex pen, you can use a regular nib - or any writing instrument - for business situations. Same with italic: the prettiest versions use a broad nib, but you can use any writing tool.

 

Jenny

"To read without also writing is to sleep." - St. Jerome

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

A few suggestions:

 

Ames' Guide to Self Instruction in Practical and Artistic Penmanship by Daniel T. Ames

 

Lessons in Practical Penmanship by H. P. Behrensmeyer

 

The Champion Method of Practical Business Writing by Mary L. Champion

 

The Palmer Method of Business Writing by A. N. Palmer

 

Palmer's Penmanship Budget by A. N. Palmer

 

The Arm Movement Method of Rapid Writing by C. P. Zaner

 

All vintage and most likely rare books now, but if you can get ahold of at least one, you're set.

fpn_1502425191__letter-mini.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 4 weeks later...

The Palmer Method of Business Writing is the best, I have found. Palmer and the other early 20th century business writing methods (Mills etc.) are all variations on each other. I just found the Palmer Method booklet (vintage copies available on the bay for cheap) seem to explain the "method" better.

 

Don't fall ink the trap of jut copying the "Palmer" letters. Follow system and learn the method of using the whole arm. It takes a while, but eventually you'll get it and your effort will be worth it.

 

Pay attention to details like how to place the paper and how to hold the pen. I cannot stress holding the pen properly enough. I can write endlessly and my hand NEVER cramps up. Never. Many people say hold the pen however you want. No, hold it the Palmer way. No tripod grip, no death tip or other ways to hold a pen. Hold a pen like these methods all show. No wrist on the desk. Don't rest the side of your hand on the desk. No finger writing. The only thing touching the desk is the point of your pen, the meaty muscle of your forearm just distal to your elbow (elbow itself should not be on the desk), and the tips (nails) of you pinky and ring fingers.

 

There are only one or maybe two people on You Tube that claim to be using the Palmer Method, and are actually doing it correctly. (I'll do a search and report back) The others are only drawing Palmer letters.

 

I'm telling you, The Palmer Method works. Don't get caught up in the drills of endless circles. Do them, but they are just muscle memory exercises. They are not art work.

 

Practice, and practice more. Chances are tat you'll feel like you're learning to write all over again. And you will be.

 

Good luck!

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Pull up the you tube vids done by "perfect biscuit" and "in pursuit of penmanship", they demonstrate Palmer the proper way.

 

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 1 month later...

My guides have been eccentric in the extreme. I love the look of 16th century Secretary Hand, which is virtually unreadable, but I adopted its swashes and backward ascenders.

Then I stumbled across Edward Johnston: not Foundational or anything easy, but I lost my heart to the casual script he used in his letters - the ones with the big initials. The ones that aren’t collected anywhere or systematically analyzed. Nevertheless, I’m writing in a version of that these days.

The point is: look at a lot of stuff. There’ll be something out there that will express the you-ness of you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

InkyFingers,

nice, relaxed grip, plenty of movement for the whole arm, and tea at hand. That's the way to go! : )

 

PS: I always have my thermos beside my desk. Can't have my tea going cold.

fpn_1502425191__letter-mini.png

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 months later...

The Palmer Method of Business Writing is the best, I have found. Palmer and the other early 20th century business writing methods (Mills etc.) are all variations on each other. I just found the Palmer Method booklet (vintage copies available on the bay for cheap) seem to explain the "method" better.

 

Don't fall ink the trap of jut copying the "Palmer" letters. Follow system and learn the method of using the whole arm. It takes a while, but eventually you'll get it and your effort will be worth it.

 

Pay attention to details like how to place the paper and how to hold the pen. I cannot stress holding the pen properly enough. I can write endlessly and my hand NEVER cramps up. Never. Many people say hold the pen however you want. No, hold it the Palmer way. No tripod grip, no death tip or other ways to hold a pen. Hold a pen like these methods all show. No wrist on the desk. Don't rest the side of your hand on the desk. No finger writing. The only thing touching the desk is the point of your pen, the meaty muscle of your forearm just distal to your elbow (elbow itself should not be on the desk), and the tips (nails) of you pinky and ring fingers.

 

There are only one or maybe two people on You Tube that claim to be using the Palmer Method, and are actually doing it correctly. (I'll do a search and report back) The others are only drawing Palmer letters.

 

I'm telling you, The Palmer Method works. Don't get caught up in the drills of endless circles. Do them, but they are just muscle memory exercises. They are not art work.

 

Practice, and practice more. Chances are tat you'll feel like you're learning to write all over again. And you will be.

 

Good luck!

 

That's very helpful, thank you.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Write Now was helpful for me, and a personal email explaining that a few of my letters differed from their suggestions brought the comment that that was okay; legibility was the main criterion, so I recommend the book and the techniques taught.

Baptiste knew how to make a short job long

For love of it. And yet not waste time either.

Robert Frost

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Ive read and learned the styles in write now, Fred eagers book, pickering's website on chancery italic, as well as read and practiced the spencerian hand using new American Spencerian compendium as a guide. All are great resources. Italic and spencerian are great, but I have come to prefer something less ostentatious, less showy. For this, monoline business cursive such as Palmer method is great. Its so much easier to write than italic due to not having to lift pen off paper as much. Its more convenient than Spencerian in that you dont have to lug around a dip pen whenever you want to write. Monoline cursive can even be done with a ballpoint or pencil but fountain pen (fine to extra fine) looks best to me. Also instead of Palmer I recommend learning monoline business cursive from the book modern business penmanship by e c mills. Very similar to Palmer but more beautiful. Once you really learn it well, you will see how it it exudes an understated elegance.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

  • 2 weeks later...

I started with the Fred Eager book about two years ago, and it brought my handwriting from illegible to beautiful. I totally fell for it and got italic nibs for all my pens and everything. Stopped approaching it academically after about 3 months in and let my handwriting normalize. I realized at some point that I never did the work to get a consistent slant, and even though my letter forms were nice there was still an overall neatness that was lacking. Eager spends about 1 paragraph on paper position, and I never thought about it again. After reading about the benefits of whole arm movement, especially as it concerns slant, I've been working through the business script books (Palmer, Mills, Champion) I'm only 3 weeks in, and I'm already seeing big improvements to my slant. now i'm paying a lot more attention to grip and paper position. The one thing I'm having trouble with, however, is how darn different the business letters are from italic letters. My brain does a backflip now trying to do a lower-case Palmer e instead of the italic two stroke e I'm finally used to.

this is a long winded way of saying that starting with eager for italic, or any of the other 3 for classic cursive will improve your handwriting, and i wish i focused on whole-arm movement from the start.

Link to comment
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Most Contributions

    1. amberleadavis
      amberleadavis
      43972
    2. PAKMAN
      PAKMAN
      35666
    3. inkstainedruth
      inkstainedruth
      31684
    4. Ghost Plane
      Ghost Plane
      28220
    5. Bo Bo Olson
      Bo Bo Olson
      27747
  • Upcoming Events

  • Blog Comments

    • Misfit
      Oh to have that translucent pink Prera! @migo984 has the Oeste series named after birds. There is a pink one, so I’m assuming Este is the same pen as Oeste.    Excellent haul. I have some Uniball One P pens. Do you like to use them? I like them enough, but don’t use them too much yet.    Do you or your wife use Travelers Notebooks? Seeing you were at Kyoto, I thought of them as there is a store there. 
    • A Smug Dill
      It's not nearly so thick that I feel it comprises my fine-grained control, the way I feel about the Cross Peerless 125 or some of the high-end TACCIA Urushi pens with cigar-shaped bodies and 18K gold nibs. Why would you expect me or anyone else to make explicit mention of it, if it isn't a travesty or such a disappointment that an owner of the pen would want to bring it to the attention of his/her peers so that they could “learn from his/her mistake” without paying the price?
    • szlovak
      Why nobody says that the section of Tuzu besides triangular shape is quite thick. Honestly it’s the thickest one among my many pens, other thick I own is Noodler’s Ahab. Because of that fat section I feel more control and my handwriting has improved. I can’t say it’s comfortable or uncomfortable, but needs a moment to accommodate. It’s funny because my school years are long over. Besides this pen had horrible F nib. Tines were perfectly aligned but it was so scratchy on left stroke that collecte
    • stylographile
      Awesome! I'm in the process of preparing my bag for our pen meet this weekend and I literally have none of the items you mention!! I'll see if I can find one or two!
    • inkstainedruth
      @asota -- Yeah, I think I have a few rolls in my fridge that are probably 20-30 years old at this point (don't remember now if they are B&W or color film) and don't even really know where to get the film processed, once the drive through kiosks went away....  I just did a quick Google search and (in theory) there was a place the next town over from me -- but got a 404 error message when I tried to click on the link....  Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth 
  • Chatbox

    You don't have permission to chat.
    Load More
  • Files






×
×
  • Create New...