What Is The Best Noodler's Blue Ink With Eternal/water Resistance/forgery Resistance Qualities In Your Opinion?

[arcadeflow]

Pilot Blue is a great water resistant ink in my opinion, althought it bothers me by how easily it stains plastic (but can be mostly scrubbed out). But I started thinking that it would be nice to own a blue ink for signing documents, and it would be great if it was long lasting (eternal) and with water and forgery resistances, alongside a good behavior like low feathering and quick drying. The reason I want blue is because in my opinion it is the standard ink for signing documents, because it makes easier to differ the original from copies (please, I don't want to stirr a discussion of black x blue in this case).

 

I looked into 54th Massachussets, Bad Belted Kingfisher, Bad Blue Heron and Liberty's Elysium, but it is hard to figure out which one would work out.

The perfect ink for this case, in my opinion, would have the following characteristics:

 

- Quick drying (sometimes you have to sign a lot of stapled pages and you don't want to smear or wait too long)

- Decent flow (I guess a very wet flow wouldn't be possible alongside quick drying)

- Low feathering

- Resistance to fading ("eternal", will attach to celulloid and last a lifetime)

- Resistance to water/smear (it should not smear with sweaty hands and preferably not release a lot of the dye, staining the rest of the document)

- Won't dry out in pens faster than normal

- Must be a mostly blue ink, you have to see blue when you look at it, a nice medium blue or a darker blue light Diamine Midnight at most.

 

I read the reviews on Goulet Pens about each of these inks, and while some people enjoyed them, some had serious complaints about them. I believe Liberty's Elysium is closer to what I want, but it is not eternal. Does that mean it will fade quickly when exposed to light? Also, 55th Massachussets is too dark and probably closer to a dark gray than blue. Bad Blue Heron could work out but I am not sure it will flow well, dry quickly and avoid feathering, and the color seems to be a little off the blue I want. Bad Belted Kingfisher seems to be a great color but it seems to release a lot of the dye when wet.

 

As I understand, they have a huge variety of inks because there can't be a perfect ink in this case, fountain pen flow is very unpredictable when you want to achieve certain characteristics and color tones. In this case, I am looking for a functional ink and the color is mostly function, it does not have to be the most beautiful blue.

 

So, have you experienced a blue ink with these characteristics that you can recommend?

[doggonecarl]

So, have you experienced a blue ink with these characteristics that you can recommend?

 

Yes, but it is not a Noodler's ink. I think Private Reserve Invincible Blue would meet your expectations.

[Medsen Fey]

I like bad belted kingfisher. It will bleed some if wet, but remains very readable.

 

An ink that may meet all your requirements is platinum pigment blue.

[arcadeflow]

I like bad belted kingfisher. It will bleed some if wet, but remains very readable.

 

An ink that may meet all your requirements is platinum pigment blue.

 

How is the maintenance of this ink?

[thorn]

I have been using Noodler's Legal Lapis for a few years to sign checks and papers. It's a dark blue/green.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/65149-noodlers-legal-lapis/

 

[BobR]

Other possibilities are Noodler's Luxury Blue and Upper Ganges Blue. I sampled used Luxury Blue some time ago, and remember it being chalky but attractive. Both inks seem to garner positive reviews, and probably because of the permanance qualities, are priced higher than the standard Noodler's inks.

[stonezebra]

What about Noodlers Beneke Blue or Q-Eternity? I have the latter and like it.

[cjr]

54th Massachusetts meets all your requirements except for the color. It dries quickly compared to other permanent inks and is one of the most smear-resistant inks I have tested.

 

The best of all Noodlers for permanence is Kung Te Cheng, but that is more of a purple family,

 

I've found Upper Ganges Blue to be smear-resistant and 100% water resistant. It's on the lighter side, but a true blue.

 

If you're willing to try something else, the fastest drying permanent inks Iv'e found are DeAtramentis Document series. In particular, Document Blue and Dark Blue might work for you. 100% permanent and fast drying. Only negative is that they flow like crazy and I have to put them in a dry writer with a fine nib to control them. Love the Document Turquoise, too.

[UDog]

I have been using Noodler's Legal Lapis for a few years to sign checks and papers. It's a dark blue/green.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/65149-noodlers-legal-lapis/

 

Is there anywhere you can get a sample of Legal Lapis?

[tfwall]

Is there anywhere you can get a sample of Legal Lapis?

 

Not easily. Since the US retailer (Pendemonium) does not offer samples, you are left with private members willing to do a decant or finding an international (non-US) retailer who both has Legal Lapis in stock and offers samples.

[Buzz_130]

Bad Blue Heron (BBH) was my first bottle of fountain pen ink. I also use Bad Belted Kingfisher (BBK) as one of my blue inks. BBH and BBK both work with a range of paper, but I generally get nib creep with Noodlers' Ink.

 

If you are comfortable with high-maintenance inks like Noodlers', then you shouldn't limit yourself to one brand (or even type) of ink. Consider the nano-pigment inks available from Sailor and Platinum. Sei-Boku and Pigment Blue are impressive inks with comparable characteristics. I would argue that these inks work better on poor paper than the ones you are examining.

 

Finally, you could also consider iron gall (IG) inks. You would get the advantage of even better performance on poor paper while maintaining all of the advantages of a permanent ink. The only cautions are the normal ones with good hygiene and pen selection with IG inks.

 

Buzz

[Sandy1]

Hi,

 

IIRC Dromgools (Texas) has a Noodler's ink 'Texas Blue Bonnet' that might suit your requirements.

 

Also Badger & Blade (California) has the bespoke Noodler's ink 'Benevolent Badger Blue', which is more of a Blue-Black:

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy116/Sandy1-1/FPN_2012/Ink%20Review%20-%20Noodlers%20Benevolent%20Badger%20Blue/INK600_zps2118a30a.jpg

My personal approach (using inks I have to hand) would be to conjure a blend of Noodler's BP inks. Perhaps some of the naughty Polar Blue could be added to [diluted] Benevolent Badger Blue, which has an excellent performance profile, to give a robust Blue Blue-Black with an acceptable performance profile. (?)

 

Bye,

S1

 

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Naughty ink : https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/273036-noodlers-polar-blue-bleedthrough-and-feathering/?p=3098643

Edited February 28, 2015 by Sandy1

[Manalto]

While I like Kingfisher a lot, I would vote against it as a blue that stands out as such against the black text of a printed document. Even using a broad nib, its deep, muted color may not even be perceived as blue without close examination.

 

James

[gwyneddd]

Does it have to be Noodlers?

Edited February 28, 2015 by gwyneddd

[gwyneddd]

I think Upper Ganges meets your requirements. You can try it (and Noodler's Navy, Elysium and Midway, which also have some of the waterproof semi-bulletproof characteristics) in samples from good ol' Goulet Pens. Samples are the way to go. I never buy a bottle anymore unless I can try some out.

[Medsen Fey]

How is the maintenance of this ink?

The maintenance with platinum pigment blue is not any more troublesome than noodler's inks in my experience. As a pigment ink, it is recommended that you clean/flush with some regularity. I usually don't and still have had no problems. YMMV.

Edited February 28, 2015 by Medsen Fey

[Runnin_Ute]

Check out the color palette of the KWZI IG blues on the group buy. I have only tried IG Mandarin which is a orange-ish color. Got in on it with a IG Turquoise, which appears dark enough to use professionally but still clearly a blue. (got a standard color too - azure of sky)

[arcadeflow]

Thanks for the recommendations. It does not have to be Noodler's, but I am unaware of the secure/eternal/water proof capabilities or other inks. It has to be something that can be bought without much trouble, something available in stores with international shipping. Right now I am considering going the dark way (Noodler's Black or 54th Massachussets) or the Japanese micropigmented way (I will have to check if these inks really don't fade).

 

Iron gall inks like Rohrer and Klingner Salix would resist water and wouldn't fade, but they could be tampered with chemicals and lasers, right?

[FLZapped]

I have been using Noodler's Legal Lapis for a few years to sign checks and papers. It's a dark blue/green.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php/topic/65149-noodlers-legal-lapis/

 

+1 - although it is really an Aquamarine/Black. It is only available through Pendemonium. Don't believe they have a sample program. It is a color that grows on you.

 

The "Warden" series of inks are anti-forgery and I believe they will deliberately bleed a little to show tampering.

 

Upper Ganges Blue and Luxury Blue are two bullet proof inks. UGB is a rather light color, though. There is always Kung TeCheng, which leans purple. Periwinkle and polar blue are bullet proof.

 

-Bruce

Edited March 1, 2015 by FLZapped

[arcadeflow]

+1 - although it is really an Aquamarine/Black. It is only available through Pendemonium. Don't believe they have a sample program. It is a color that grows on you.

 

The "Warden" series of inks are anti-forgery and I believe they will deliberately bleed a little to show tampering.

 

Upper Ganges Blue and Luxury Blue are two bullet proof inks. UGB is a rather light color, though. There is always Kung TeCheng, which leans purple. Periwinkle and polar blue are bullet proof.

 

-Bruce

 

Let's say you got an autograph exposed in your wall that you cherish very much. Your fear the sun making it fade, a busted pipe washing it away and an accident with cleaning chemicals ruining it. Which blue ink would you hope that the autographer had used? You also don't want part of the ink to be washed away from the busted pipe staining the autograph, nor you wish that your beloved icon has the bad taste of using an unsmooth ink that made that first piece of paper you found laying around for him to autograph bleed and feather.

 

I guess there is no such ink.