White Dot Location

[twieleba]

What years, if any, were white dots placed on the very bottom of the barrel?

[KBeezie]

http://www.penhero.com/PenGallery/Sheaffer/SheafferWhiteDot.htm

 

 

In 1937, Sheaffer introduced a new model pen with a solid metal cap and a plastic body. This pen was later to be known as the Crest. It was a top of the line model, and certainly merited the White Dot and the Lifetime guarantee. Mounting the dot to the cap became a problem for Sheaffer, which apparently could not be solved to the company's satisfaction. Early advertisements and catalog pages show the solution Sheaffer adopted: mounting the White Dot on the barrel between the section and the lever, just above the lever. The White Dot remained above the clip on all plastic pens.

 

 

I'm not sure, but I think the crest might be the only one like that, because later metal capped white dot ones have the white dot jewel on the cap.

 

Then there's also:

 

 

This 1500 has the white dot (Sheaffer's trademarked symbol of Lifetime quality) on the end of the pen barrel. In earlier pens, such as the "Flat-Top" of the 1920s (a name not used by Sheaffer), the white dot appeared on the center of the flat top of the cap. On the Balance pens that followed, the white dot moved to a spot above the top of the clip. During the late 1930s and 1940s, Sheaffer moved the white dot variously to the bottom of the barrel, the middle of the barrel, the top of the cap, and below the clip. Finally, in the late 1940s, the white dot moved back to the top of the clip, either on the clip or above it, where it is found today.

 

from : http://www.penhero.com/PenGallery/Sheaffer/SheafferCrestVintage.htm

Edited July 25, 2014 by KBeezie

[Lazard 20]

"...such as the "Flat-Top" of the 1920s (a name not used by Sheaffer), the white dot appeared on the center of the flat top of the cap."

 

 

Although it is known worldwide, I would like to emphasize not always, in the ´20 "flat top", WD dot appeared on the center of the cap: In femenine model ring top is also placed in the center but at the bottom of the barrel. So this location, at the bottom of the barrel, is prior to the Balanced models.

 

bout another models, as the first vacuum Forticel Crest or Sentinel, for example, we can see items with WD at the bottom of the barrel too.

 

Some examples of the late '40s with WD not in the cap.

 

http://s22.postimg.org/pgxik6dpt/image.jpg

http://s22.postimg.org/ra0f8hywh/image.jpg

 

http://s14.postimg.org/on71hjqn5/PIC_1094.jpg

Edited July 25, 2014 by Lazard 20

[Ernst Bitterman]

http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Sheaffer-0107c.jpg

 

Vac-fill Triumph-point Statesman, in support of the second PenHero quote. The steel-cap Sentinel model had some bottom-mount dots as well as the Crest; it was introduced just before they got the metal cap mounting problem sorted out.

[KBeezie]

I wonder if it would be a decent assumption to assume that they no longer put the white dots on the bottom of the pen after 1950s.

[Lazard 20]

http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Sheaffer-0107c.jpg

 

Vac-fill Triumph-point Statesman, in support of the second PenHero quote. The steel-cap Sentinel model had some bottom-mount dots as well as the Crest; it was introduced just before they got the metal cap mounting problem sorted out.

 

Although I know it is not your case, for those who do not know it, interestingly in this Statesman ("II" or "Triumph" to distinguish it from its namesake prior in time with open nib) we can find WD over the clip and also on top of the cap.

 

http://s28.postimg.org/gxrmojmv1/STATESMAN_IIi.jpg

Edited July 27, 2014 by Lazard 20

[KBeezie]

 

Although I know it is not your case, for those who do not know it, interestingly in this Statesman ("II" or "Triumph" to distinguish it from its namesake prior in time with open nib) we can find WD over the clip and also on top of the cap.

 

http://s28.postimg.org/gxrmojmv1/STATESMAN_IIi.jpg

 

It's right above the clip in my Touchdown Statesman. (I don't seem to see the white dots right on the top on a non-flat-top in most of the auctions).

 

http://static.karlblessing.com/pens/touchdown_wd/tdwd_final_1280.jpg

 

Being right on the top seems like it would make more sense if they intended to move the clip up further.

Edited July 27, 2014 by KBeezie

[lahlahlaw]

I wonder if it would be a decent assumption to assume that they no longer put the white dots on the bottom of the pen after 1950s.

 

As opposed to an indecent assumption..? :-)

[Lazard 20]

http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Sheaffer-0107c.jpg

 

Vac-fill Triumph-point Statesman, in support of the second PenHero quote. The steel-cap Sentinel model had some bottom-mount dots as well as the Crest; it was introduced just before they got the metal cap mounting problem sorted out.

 

In line with what you comment, Sheaffer´S sorted out the problem with WD into metal cap approx. March 1948.

[Lazard 20]

(I don't seem to see the white dots right on the top on a non-flat-top in most of the auctions).

 

Well, it's not uncommon. In my small collection there are two.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2014 by Lazard 20

[Happy Harry]

I wonder if it would be a decent assumption to assume that they no longer put the white dots on the bottom of the pen after 1950s.

 

From 1948 (maybe end '47)

[Lazard 20]

KBeezie, on 25 Jul 2014 - 18:15, said:

I wonder if it would be a decent assumption to assume that they no longer put the white dots on the bottom of the pen after 1950s.

 

Happy Larry

From 1948 (maybe end '47)

 

Lazard

1947 is not possible b´cause Sheaffer´S sorted out the problem with WD into metal cap not before March 1948.

Edited August 7, 2014 by Lazard 20

[FarmBoy]

I can install the dot almost anywhere on the pen you would like.

 

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