Help Identifying Pen Type (St Dupont)

[fanofdean]

So I found some of my grandpa's old fountain pens and am just wondering what type they are, roughly when they were sold, how much they are worth (if not still in production), and thought that this

forum would be the perfect place to help. Also, which refills would go with these pens? I'm new to this, and am just using the cheap "preppy" pens I bought from JetPens. I'm thinking my Grandpa got these around the late 80s or early 90s if that would be any help. Thanks. The pictures are attached below:

http://imgur.com/fFvO4N3.jpg

http://imgur.com/sCSQwuW.jpg

 

The tips seem to say 18 ct. with the number 750 below D logo. Also, the caps seem to have the words "ST Dupont" "Lacque De Chine" and "Paris". Any help would be welcome.

[RMN]

Hi and a very

 

 

A pic of the whole pen would help the specialists.

 

I am no specialist on ST Dupont. But there have been some threads lately...

 

Are there some Chinese characters at the end of the barrel?

And is there an old cartridge in the pen? If so, please show that too on the pictures. Older ST Duponts used the Parker type cart, later they changed to standard international.

 

 

Enjoy the forum.

 

 

D.ick

[jar]

The general model would be "Classique" and it should use the Parker standard cartridges and converters, but those models were also often faked. The fakes will take the International standard cartridges.

[fanofdean]

Thanks for such the quick replies. I've taken more pics of the pen as asked, with one of the entire pen and another of the ink cartridge. Also, what would be a good starter pen that's not too expensive? Like $15 at most? Thanks.

 

http://imgur.com/PvLO1Au.jpg

http://imgur.com/5kj8syH.jpg

Edited February 22, 2014 by fanofdean

[RMN]

That is a Standard International cartridge, so chances are you have a fake. Which does not mean it should be a bad writer.

 

So I would say: buy a few boxes of st int carts or a standard converter with a nice bottle of ink to your liking, and try your pen.

 

 

For starter pens under 15 USD you should either buy Chinese, or second hand. Or pay a bit more and get a Lamy Safari.

 

 

D.ick

[sexauerw]

I'm not so sure that the cartridge pictured is a standard international cartridge. Dupont made special cartridges for the Classique, Gatsby, Montparnasse and Lady pens that look very much like the standard cartridge but have the Parker/Aurora sized opening. Below is a photo of the cartridge box with a Dupont cartridge on the left and a standard international cartridge on the right. Notice the difference in the mouth sizes. I think the OP's cartridge looks more like the Dupont cartridge, so the pen might very well be real.

 

In addition, I have a Classique and the underside of the feed looks exactly like the one in the OP's photo. Most, if not all, of the fakes have feeds that don't look like the genuine Dupont feeds.

 

http://bulk-share.slickpic.com/album/share/GMzOjDT2MzEMm0/7481252.0/org/p/Dupont_Ink_Cartridges.jpg

Edited February 22, 2014 by sexauerw

[RMN]

That would indeed be good news for Fanofdean

 

I forgot there are small sized Parker type cartridges. My mistake, as I even have a box somewhere in my ink storage box...

 

 

 

D.ick

[fanofdean]

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sexauerw

Thinking the cartridge was the international, I went to Staples and got some Franklin Covey Standard Size ones. When I tried to fit it in, they indeed are smaller at the openings and just ended up getting some ink on my hands. Maybe the ones I got weren't standard international? I've attached a pic of a comparison between the ones I bought and the old ones that were in the pens.

 

http://imgur.com/dAyaeeY.jpg

[sexauerw]

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sexauerw

Thinking the cartridge was the international, I went to Staples and got some Franklin Covey Standard Size ones. When I tried to fit it in, they indeed are smaller at the openings and just ended up getting some ink on my hands. Maybe the ones I got weren't standard international? I've attached a pic of a comparison between the ones I bought and the old ones that were in the pens.

 

http://imgur.com/dAyaeeY.jpg

Yep, the old one was a Dupont Classique / Gatsby / etc. cartridge which was correct for a genuine S. T. Dupont Classique pen. The new one is an international short cartridge which has an opening too small for your pen. You need the S. T. Dupont carts. The only place I know where you can get them is Fountain Pen Hospital. There used to be other places but the recent years have been very hard on pen stores and several of my favorite stores have been forced out of business. I've asked Colorado Pens to carry these but they apparently don't see enough demand to make it worth their while.

 

That said, I certainly don't pretend to know everything. There might well be other sources. If anybody else knows of another source, please chime in and post it here.

 

Link to http://www.fountainpenhospital.com

Edited February 23, 2014 by sexauerw

[jar]

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sexauerw

Thinking the cartridge was the international, I went to Staples and got some Franklin Covey Standard Size ones. When I tried to fit it in, they indeed are smaller at the openings and just ended up getting some ink on my hands. Maybe the ones I got weren't standard international? I've attached a pic of a comparison between the ones I bought and the old ones that were in the pens.

 

http://imgur.com/dAyaeeY.jpg

 

Fortunately you can use the Parker small cartridge and converter and I would bet even the long Parker cartridge would fit but warning, I've never tried them.

 

I have a lifetime supply of the old style ST Dupont cartridges and if you PM me I can probably send you a pack.

[sexauerw]

Duh! Don't know why I didn't think of that. I just test fitted a long Parker cartridge and a Parker piston converter in my Dupont Classique. Both fit perfectly. So does the older Parker squeeze converter.

Edited February 23, 2014 by sexauerw

[fanofdean]

Okay, so from what I've been reading. The Parker cartridge should fit? Like the one found here? http://www.coloradopen.com/product/parker-ink-cartridge/fountain-pen-ink-cartridges

 

Also, is the cartridge at that link the long one or short? Also, what's the function of the converter? Isn't it to pull ink into the cartridge? Thanks.

[RMN]

Okay, so from what I've been reading. The Parker cartridge should fit? Like the one found here? http://www.coloradopen.com/product/parker-ink-cartridge/fountain-pen-ink-cartridges

 

Also, is the cartridge at that link the long one or short? Also, what's the function of the converter? Isn't it to pull ink into the cartridge? Thanks.

That iis indeed the long Parker type cartridge.

 

A converter replaces the cartridge. With the converter you can draw ink from a bottle of your choice instead of the choice of the cartridge maker. Want Pelikan ink in a Parker pen: take a converter. Want Waterman ink in a Pilot pen: take a converter (different size though...)

 

 

D.ick

[fanofdean]

What are some good inks? I'm trying to order off jetpens right now. Thanks.

 

PS, this is the right converter? http://www.jetpens.com/Parker-Fountain-Pen-Twist-Converter/pd/6154

Edited February 24, 2014 by fanofdean

[RMN]

What are some good inks? I'm trying to order off jetpens right now. Thanks.

 

PS, this is the right converter? http://www.jetpens.com/Parker-Fountain-Pen-Twist-Converter/pd/6154

Yes , that is the right converter.

 

As to inks... Matter of taste, see the ink subforums.

 

D.ick