Montblanc Heritage Collection

[stevesurf]

I believe the resin version (I believe it's resin) might be coming in June, according to one MB boutique.

[orfew]

Mmmmm...might have to add the black resin version to my list. Very nice looking pen.

[Harlequin]

I was reading another thread in which Stevesurf linked this one. I have no experience with MBs and do not know any history of the brand. But one thing that was mentioned in the other thread is that this is (obviously) a historical issue. But my questions are two fold: first, which pen is this a new version of? Second, do vintage MBs usually go for more or less than the new ones? It seems with most brands, vintage goes for more than the new, retail prices. But in my limited experience, when you get into much higher end pens like these that "rule of thumb" seems to be reversed.

 

Btw, I apologize in advance in these are exceedingly newb questions.

 

 

[stevesurf]

I was reading another thread in which Stevesurf linked this one. I have no experience with MBs and do not know any history of the brand. But one thing that was mentioned in the other thread is that this is (obviously) a historical issue. But my questions are two fold: first, which pen is this a new version of? Second, do vintage MBs usually go for more or less than the new ones? It seems with most brands, vintage goes for more than the new, retail prices. But in my limited experience, when you get into much higher end pens like these that "rule of thumb" seems to be reversed.

 

Btw, I apologize in advance in these are exceedingly newb questions.

 

There are many others here that are more familiar with pre-war Simplos, but here's a couple of pictures from recent listings:

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ANTIQUE-MONTBLANC-SIMPLO-7-Retractable-14K-Nib-Fountain-Pen-year-19-help-/00/s/MTQ3N1gxNjAw/$T2eC16h,!y0E9s2S9KJLBR!GoRO+jQ~~60_57.JPG

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ANTIQUE-MONTBLANC-SIMPLO-7-Retractable-14K-Nib-Fountain-Pen-year-19-help-/170980236564?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27cf375d14

 

http://i.ebayimg.com/t/MONTBLANC-N-2-SIMPLO-YEAR-1932-33-/00/s/MTIwMFgxNjAw/$T2eC16hHJGkE9no8jDqpBQQP-6up5w~~60_57.JPG

http://www.ebay.com/itm/MONTBLANC-N-2-SIMPLO-YEAR-1932-33-/150987951421?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2327954d3d

 

I'm going to take a SWAG at the price for the this summer's resin model at around $1200

[Jerome Tarshis]

If I may address one of Harlequin's two questions: Except for a very few models, usually models with rarity value and/or striking designs, such as the Parker Aztec, vintage pens manufactured in large quantities sell for less money than current-production pens. In general, much less money. One can buy a good 1920s Parker Duofold for considerably less money than the current Duofold. When the Parker 51 Special Edition came out, many who posted to pen boards found it laughable that they could buy a real Parker 51 for much less money than this simulacrum of a 51. (And the 51 SE has increased in selling price since it went out of production.)

 

Top of the line vintage pens were, on the whole, mass-market products. (For the obvious reason that there was a mass market for fountain pens.) Top of the line modern pens are manufactured for a luxury-goods market. Even when the pen looks quite austere, as the Lamy 2000 does, I should think one could buy one of its immediate ancestors, e.g. one of the Lamy 27 family, for less than a new 2000 would cost.

[Harlequin]

So it's a Simplo? Does it have a certain model number or is it really just the entire line this new one is supposed to recapture the essence of?

[AltecGreen]

If I may address one of Harlequin's two questions: Except for a very few models, usually models with rarity value and/or striking designs, such as the Parker Aztec, vintage pens manufactured in large quantities sell for less money than current-production pens. In general, much less money. One can buy a good 1920s Parker Duofold for considerably less money than the current Duofold. When the Parker 51 Special Edition came out, many who posted to pen boards found it laughable that they could buy a real Parker 51 for much less money than this simulacrum of a 51. (And the 51 SE has increased in selling price since it went out of production.)

 

Top of the line vintage pens were, on the whole, mass-market products. (For the obvious reason that there was a mass market for fountain pens.) Top of the line modern pens are manufactured for a luxury-goods market. Even when the pen looks quite austere, as the Lamy 2000 does, I should think one could buy one of its immediate ancestors, e.g. one of the Lamy 27 family, for less than a new 2000 would cost.

 

 

I agree with Jerome with some qualifiers. Pen makers like Parker and Sheaffer certainly made pens in huge quantities. However, once you leave the big U.S. companies, many of the well known vintage brands did not nearly have the production numbers of the big U.S. companies. For example, well known Italian companies like OMAS or Aurora had very small production numbers compared Parker. They were in fact competing with Parker in their home market. These companies did not extend very far from their home markets thus the numbers of existing pens are all very small. In these cases, vintage pens from these smaller companies are often much more expensive than the modern counterpart. For example, an old style (90's) Omas Paragon in bronze arco sells for $600-900 in the open market. A large sized vintage Omas Extra in the same bronze arco material from the 1930's will likely run $1600-2500. The OMAS extra was the standard OMAS pen of the era so it's not especially rare.

 

Also, you have to take the age of the pen in question. While pens from the 1920's to 1950's had huge production numbers from the large companies. The very earliest fountain pens from all companies were not made in the same quantities. The equivalent pens from Parker that were contemporaries of the the Simplo pen (ca. 1908-1920) often sell in the many thousands of dollars. It just means that these early pens are effectively all rare.

[amberleadavis]

Well, Steve, will they be coming out in June?

[Classics]

Any news on the new MB for June?

 

thanks

[efftee]

Any news on the 1912 Rubber, release date, etc?

[KJY]

Price for the normal version will be EUR 880,-

 

The LE 333 EUR 10.100,-

[bmwboris]

To clarify a point- the "silver" version is actually Titanium- and not silver.

 

Does this justify the price tag? Not sure........

[BrandonA]

To clarify a point- the "silver" version is actually Titanium- and not silver.

 

Does this justify the price tag? Not sure........

 

Yes.

 

If you computed the value of products based solely on the cost of the raw materials is the only method for determining price then every product would be sold a lot cheaper than they currently are and no company would make a profit - due to their overheads: manufacturing, marketing, design and sales being just a few. Most products are worth (and sell) far more than the sum of their parts.

 

There is also the concept of supply and demand. This pen is limited to only 333 pieces which makes it quite rare (not MB top tier rare - but rare nonetheless). Its bound to sell well and therefore MB can charge a premium for it.

 

If I collected top tier pens I'd definitely add this one to my collection. If I only had 10,000 euros and was shopping around for one "great" pen then I don't think this would be the pen for me - I'd rather get an 888 or some of the other 333 editions that I prefer.

[meiers]

I would purchase a modern 139 without hesitation.

[stevesurf]

Hi folks, the resin version of the Heritage Collection should now be available for pre-order at Montblanc boutiques, with an availability of October.

 

[isaacrn]

Do you happen to know a price point on that one?

[La Stilografica Milano]

Any news on the 1912 Rubber, release date, etc?

Hello,

some pieces of the Heritage 1912 Rubber will be release next week, and the price (for Italian Market) it's 870 euro.

More pieces will be availbe in october.

 

Ciao!

[La Stilografica Milano]

Hello,

we finally received the Heritage 1912, im trying to upload some "live" pictures but something has changed and it seems im not able anymore to do it..

Im checking forum guide also but still no clue... can someone please explain me how to upload images? In the past it was quite easy..

 

Thank you

[Chopper88]

Hello,

we finally received the Heritage 1912, im trying to upload some "live" pictures but something has changed and it seems im not able anymore to do it..

Im checking forum guide also but still no clue... can someone please explain me how to upload images? In the past it was quite easy..

 

Thank you

 

Arrr we're all waiting for this!

 

Can't you upload them to another host, like Tinypic and use the url here by pasting it into 'add image' button popup?

[La Stilografica Milano]

http://i44.tinypic.com/2q8vj9k.jpg

 

http://i43.tinypic.com/15cyjo1.jpg

 

http://i44.tinypic.com/ofplr5.jpg

 

http://i43.tinypic.com/jzw6kw.jpg

 

 

 

 

Thank you Chopper88 for sharing info!

Edited July 24, 2013 by La Stilografica Milano