Montblanc...worth The Money?

[SamCapote]

Thanks for the replies, especially the objective ones.

 

You are welcome.

 

When I referred to the comparisons, I am comparing a black Montblanc with a black Dunhill, not the fancy limited editions.

 

Yoiu have not said which black Montblanc. Without specifics, no comparison can be made. If you are comparing a new MB 149 with the Dunhill Sentryman black and gold, indeed prices come back at $645 & $392 respectively from one of our favorite pen shops. However, in my personal opinion, I do not like the look or how narrow the body of the Dunhill Sentryman appears. I don't care for the gold tapered section either. So I personally would not want that Dunhill purely on an aesthetic basis. I think it is an ugly pen design, and bears little resemblance to the MB 149. I think a much better comparison is the MB149 vs. the Pelikan M1000 which lists as $620. I love both of them, and have several of each as a result, and consider them worth what I paid.

 

I never understand why new members are seen as trolls. I also don't get why some people spell words with zeros...

 

The vast majority of new members are not seen as trolls. You need to carefully read your first post, it was filled with qualifiers and phrasing that indicated you were not interested in a real, objective discussion. You already had your mind made up and were seeking to give us the benefit of your infinite wisdom, albeit stated in an apparently rhetorical manner. I highlighted the specifics of your OP that support why I am saying this for the benefit of other new members.

 

Simple question: are Montblancs worth the money? Does what Montblanc offers, justify the hefty price tag? With all the competition around, does Montblanc declare superiority? For example, can a simple, black Meiesterstuck declare superiority over a specificationally (note: no idea what that means, as no such word) special pen, like the Homo Sapiens? Is the 149 worth the hundreds of $ extra over Dunhill's flagship Sentryman??

 

 

All opinions, criticism, comments are welcome. I may be acting as a devil's advocate, but I am just wondering if Montblancs have become slightly overrated, given the opinion of stylophiles, not simply the general populace.

 

It could have been written without the interlaced troll hooks that were not all that carefully disguised.

 

 

I guess we can conclude that much of the price paid for a Montblanc is for the marketing, and that without the white star, the price of the pen would be considerably less.

 

No, that was your conclusion before you made the post. That is not at all the conclusion that many members here who have an open mind would have regarding the basis of Montblanc's value. Personally, I don't have any attention on their white star, or their marketing.

 

Thanks again for all the useful comments.

 

You are very welcome. Thanks for giving us this opportunity to expose the bias and set the record straight. Have a nice rest of the day.

[SamCapote]

i agree with you completely here. their snobbish attitude towards other pen / ink brands is one main cause for my disgust.

 

rgds.

 

krishna.

 

Do like I do, and start your day looking for disgust in the mirror. That is where it resides.

[orfew]

MBs are overhyped, over marketed, and over priced. These pens are just jewellry masquerading as pens. They are cheap mass manufactured plastic and are only bought by those who wish to state that they are in the patrician minority. They are no better then any other $100 fountain pens.

 

So having said all of that, if you have a few hanging around, do not keep them. After all they are horrible for all of the above reasons. So just send them to me. I have 15 MBs but I could always use a few more. :bunny01:

[andybiotic]

MBs are overhyped, over marketed, and over priced. These pens are just jewellry masquerading as pens. They are cheap mass manufactured plastic and are only bought by those who wish to state that they are in the patrician minority. They are no better then any other $100 fountain pens.

 

So having said all of that, if you have a few hanging around, do not keep them. After all they are horrible for all of the above reasons. So just send them to me. I have 15 MBs but I could always use a few more. :bunny01:

 

 

You are so right! I hate them instantly after hearing what you said! I will give you my only MB right now, a Noir et noir fp and bp set! I can't wait to get rid of it! I will even pay for the insured registered international courier! Do you know why? Because I am ....C-------RAZY~~~! :wacko: :wacko:

Edited November 3, 2011 by andybiotic

[koa]

No pen should be hated

 

Really?

Try this: https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/index.php?/topic/207303-the-worst-pen-ever/\

 

So this was definitely a fair question, IMHO.

As a n00b to this forum myself, I read the threads with great interest and enthusiasm, because I heard voices and opinions more so than usual, and I think this is what this FPN should be about.

 

But to hear the same voices and the same opinions a lot more than "more so than usual" is not what this FPN should be about. :roflmho:

Mea culpa, mea culpa, and culpa mea, just in case I am getting the Latin syntax wrong. And a small correction: most of the MB bashers do not hate the pens, heck, I own one myself, but it's that other stuff, like how precious resin is make from kitten toes. That bothers me. And it may not be true. But I am just saying. Help?

[FarmBoy]

I suggest that everyone answering here adds if he has a Montblanc or not :-)

I do not own a Mont Blanc...

 

(everything is true on the interwebs, right?)

 

 

The sequel is not as good as the original.

I have taken a liking to lsmith42's liking. As he makes room in the case I get those crummy Esterbrooks.

 

I also found out my head didn't explode when I tried one. I won't tell you what exploded when my legal council and I discussed me fixing MBs for a fee.

 

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[Glenn-SC]

Simple question: are Montblancs worth the money? Does what Montblanc offers, justify the hefty price tag? With all the competition around, does Montblanc declare superiority? For example, can a simple, black Meiesterstuck declare superiority over a specificationally (note: no idea what that means, as no such word) special pen, like the Homo Sapiens? Is the 149 worth the hundreds of $ extra over Dunhill's flagship Sentryman??

 

 

All opinions, criticism, comments are welcome. I may be acting as a devil's advocate, but I am just wondering if Montblancs have become slightly overrated, given the opinion of stylophiles, not simply the general populace.

 

It could have been written without the interlaced troll hooks that were not all that carefully disguised.

I don't see one "Troll Hook" in the OPs post.

Those are all honest, open questions and concerns.

[SamCapote]

Simple question: are Montblancs worth the money? Does what Montblanc offers, justify the hefty price tag? With all the competition around, does Montblanc declare superiority? For example, can a simple, black Meiesterstuck declare superiority over a specificationally (note: no idea what that means, as no such word) special pen, like the Homo Sapiens? Is the 149 worth the hundreds of $ extra over Dunhill's flagship Sentryman??

 

 

All opinions, criticism, comments are welcome. I may be acting as a devil's advocate, but I am just wondering if Montblancs have become slightly overrated, given the opinion of stylophiles, not simply the general populace.

 

It could have been written without the interlaced troll hooks that were not all that carefully disguised.

I don't see one "Troll Hook" in the OPs post.

Those are all honest, open questions and concerns.

 

I wouldn't have expected you would see it any other way. In fact that validates my theory.

[koa]

Oh, my! Troll hooks! I hate those. And Sam, I would not expect you . . . Wait, what are the rules? And what is your theory? Maybe we have had enough fun already, and it is time for this thread to join all the others deep in the secret vault at the bottom of the MB forum.

[picautomaton]

A 'good' pen is all about the nib. Other than the nib who knows if any pen is worth The Money.

[lsmith42]

I suggest that everyone answering here adds if he has a Montblanc or not :-)

I do not own a Mont Blanc...

 

(everything is true on the interwebs, right?)

 

 

The sequel is not as good as the original.

I have taken a liking to lsmith42's liking. As he makes room in the case I get those crummy Esterbrooks.

 

I also found out my head didn't explode when I tried one. I won't tell you what exploded when my legal council and I discussed me fixing MBs for a fee.

 

The required disclaimer: I do own parts but no complete MB pens; I am Farmboy and I approve of this message; no live animals were used for testing of the products recommend here; to the greatest extent possible post-consumer waste is used in the manufacture of our products; best when served cold; this product contains chemicals known to the State of California to cause cancer and/or reproductive harm; we are not responsible for lost or stolen items; any resemblance to real person living or dead is purely coincidental; do not purchase if seal has been altered or tampered with; for external use only; processed in a facility that also processes tree nuts, including peanuts; the second pig has gas; breaking seal constitutes acceptance of agreement; all models appearing in this production were 18 years of age or older; store in a cool dry place; keep away from fire and/or flame; avoid contact with skin; employees and their families are not eligible; not responsible for direct, indirect, incidental or consequential damages resulting from any defect, error or failure to perform; Any rebroadcast, reproduction, or other use of the pictures and accounts of this game without the express written consent of Major League Baseball is prohibited, prohibited in Canada; driver carries no more than $20 in cash; this is not an offer to sell securities; batteries not included; do not eat the yellow snow; may not be legal in all 50 states; dark colored dogs taste better; you may terminate this agreement at any time; complications may include passing of an oily discharge; the decision of the judges is final; product contains latex and is intended for internal use; this disclaimer supersedes all other disclaimers.

"You're killin' me, Smalls!"

[sunnerd]

Yawn...

 

To the OP, do a search on this topic before posting another flame bait.

Time to lock this thread.

[zal]

well friends,

 

let us not take this personal. it is an open discussion about a pen and not about us members. it has been interesting to read all the points here. some of us enjoy mb and we wish them all the best and long live mb in their hearts.

 

my, it is nice to have a debate like this. some people fly off the tangent, but as we know it takes two hands to create noise. no two hands, no noise.

 

it is interesting to note the viewpoints of different members here, perception of mb, experience, attitudes, even a market survey may not have thrown up such insights.

 

rgds.

 

krishna.

[olivier78860]

Oh, this topic wasn't unnecessary, because I learnt about those lawsuits.

 

It's funny when you consider that fountain pens are a quite "closed" environment (in terms of shape) and that MB limited editions are "strongly inspired" by older pens (compare a Montblanc Poe and a vintage Pelikan 101N, for instance).

 

So if it's really the case, I see only one type of trolling in that topic, the copyright trolling of a company

[andybiotic]

A 'good' pen is all about the nib. Other than the nib who knows if any pen is worth The Money.

 

 

I would say that the nib is the most important aspect of a pen. I wouldn't go as far as saying that a nib is ALL of a pen...

 

But if you are talking about the terminology then yes, a "pen" is historically referred to the nib only. The rest of it is the pen-holder (which we not called the nib holder or the section and barrels etc.)

Edited November 3, 2011 by andybiotic

[Bo Bo Olson]

In Germany, I was over at my computer shop, showing the owner a few of my pens, arranging for him to order through his wholesaler HP 32, 28 and 24 pound paper.

 

He had a couple of 'practicants'. Folks the German government pay him to train for a few months to see if they would like to enter that profession of computer repair and custom making.

 

One guy, had heard of the Mount Blanc watches and leather goods but not the pens. He did not know the little bird splot on the pen.....all that advertising gone to waste.

Mind you this is Germany. I could understand in the States.

Yes, they had used fountain pens in school, but were not really connected to them...a funny kind of Bic I guess.

No one before me, had shown them a gambit of nib width and flexes and inks. Showing them how paper and width changes the tone of an ink.

 

Well at least they got an education of 12 pens, 10 inks, 5 papers, and know more than GIGO.

[mirosc]

precious resin is make from kitten toes.

Really?! MB makes his pens from kitten toes?!

Thank you for revealing this fact!

Now I know why my handwriting is so scrawly and why my hen-scratch-pen is always hiding in my penstand as far away from the MB as possible.

Actually right now I'm looking for a original MB-pen-sleeve made out of kitten fur. Would be a good match...

 

I love to learn something new every day :-)

[SJH]

1. this is the first time i've seen this question around

You have, how many, 11 posts?

 

This is what is referred to on the interwebz as a n00b mistake.

 

It may well be your first time with this particular question, but it is far from the first time for the rest of us. We are fed up to the back teeth with n00bs who think that this is an original or interesting question. It is far from that.

 

Is that the Royal 'we', or are you assuming a stance for the entire network?

Perhaps a less boorish response from such a seasoned member towards a newish one might better display your sophistication.

 

 

Best regards,

Steve.

Edited November 3, 2011 by SJH

[reprieve]

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[BrandonA]

I can't believe this thread is still going.

 

Value is subjective.

 

I personally think TWSBI are not value for money and yet they are in a completely different price range to Montblanc.