Pelikan M1000 Or Souveran 1000

[neo]

Hello Forum:

 

I am planning to order a Pelikan M1000 from Melpens.com. When I asked them about M1000's availability they say they have it for USD350. When I checked back their website they were actually meaning Souveran 1000. Are they both same?

 

Also, please suggest a nib size? Do I go for EF or F or M. I am buying it for my personal writing. I also dabble with calligraphy as a hobby only. Please help with your thoughts.

 

Cheers,

Neo

[hari317]

Are they both same?

 

Yes. Souveran is the series, M1000 is the largest Souveran.

[handwriter]

As for the nib this is up to your preference, no one could tell you that a F is better or worst than a M.

A nice feature of Pelikans is that swaping the nibs means just unscrew the one in the pen and screw the new one, and new nibs can be purchased separately, so you can buy now one of the sizes and later buy another if you wish.

If you used other fountain pens before (if you didn't, you are making a big start with a M1000!), note that Pelikan nibs tend to write a bit broader than those of most brands, that is, an EF can write like an F in some other brands, although this can be too general (you know, no other brands write the same).

[neo]

As for the nib this is up to your preference, no one could tell you that a F is better or worst than a M.

A nice feature of Pelikans is that swaping the nibs means just unscrew the one in the pen and screw the new one, and new nibs can be purchased separately, so you can buy now one of the sizes and later buy another if you wish.

If you used other fountain pens before (if you didn't, you are making a big start with a M1000!), note that Pelikan nibs tend to write a bit broader than those of most brands, that is, an EF can write like an F in some other brands, although this can be too general (you know, no other brands write the same).

 

Thanks, Handwriter.

 

I have been writing with Fountain pens for almost 20 years now, but never bought brands till three years ago. My first brand (a gift) was a Lamy Graphite and then I got hooked onto the brands!!! Bought two Lamys (Studio and 20000) and then I recently bought a Pelikan M800 (Yet to use it. Waiting for the right words to come!!). The reason why I asked about nib sizes is because of my experience. I have an inexpensive Pilot F point (eyedropper) and was very disappointed. I do not enjoy writing with it. The nib is too rough and piercing, and even the color looks dull.

[Conz]

Unless you already intend to collect the whole range of Pelikans, i.e. M1000,M600, M400 etc., might I suggest you try out your M800 first? it'll give you an idea if you want to move up or down in size and weight. Also gives an idea of the nib width.

 

Although I love my M800 and like my M1000, I use my M600 at work the most, followed by my M200.

[voop]

M1000 is one big pen - needs one big nib too, suggest B or BB.

 

Loving the size of the pen, the M800 is too small to be interesting .

Edited July 9, 2010 by voop

[12345Michael54321]

I like large pens. I really do.

 

But even for me, the M1000 is maybe too much of a good thing. I love my M800, though. It's probably my overall favorite pen, even if I do wind up writing more with the M200 that gets carried around with me, than with the M800 that mostly stays on my desk.

 

My M800 has a fine nib. But I mostly jot down notes with the pen; if I dabbled in calligraphy, I could certainly see a broad or double-broad nib as being quite practical and loads of fun.

 

You know, neo, $350 is a lot of money to drop on a pen. If there's a good fountain pen store even semi-near you, or if there's a major pen show within a reasonable drive of you, maybe you'd be better off going there and trying a couple of different pens and nibs. (Then either buy the pen there, or at the very least spend some money on something there.) I know that at least in the US, a large percentage of the population lives near enough to a good pen shop or major pen show as to make my suggestion practical. 'Course, I have no idea as to your location.

 

BTW, use that Pelikan M800 you recently bought. The pen's meant to be used and enjoyed. Don't wait for the right words to come to you. Fill the pen, sit down with a sheet of paper, and write. A shopping list, a letter to a relative, the opening paragraph of your version of the Great 21st Century Novel, whatever. To have the pen and not use it is sad, like those people who buy great paintings, then store them in dark vaults to protect them. Or who cellar wonderful vintages, but are reluctant to drink the occasional bottle.

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Michael

[Tsujigiri]

I have one in fine nib, and I'd definitely warn against anything larger. Unless you typically like larger nibs, the medium will probably dump out way to much ink for you. I know that people who have the medium nib describe how the ink has a huge meniscus when it comes out. A fine nib on the largest Pelikan is much wetter than a fine on their smallest. Also, Pelikan extra-fine nibs have a reputation for having more defects than other nib sizes. Great pen choice, out of all of mine, it's my favorite.

[FrankB]

First off, I think $350 USD for an M-1000 is an excellent price.

 

But you really do need to sit down and write with your M-800 and get the feel of the pen. (By the way, your M-800 is also in the Souverain series, just as hari317 said.) As the others have said, the M-1000 is a larger pen with a larger nib. That larger nib does lay ink a bit differently than the M-800. I personally love the feel of the M-1000 and the way it puts ink onto paper. I always say that I do not necessarily write with an M-1000, but paint my letters in strokes nearly like a brush. I like that feel so much that I have three M-1000's with different nib point sizes. That feel might appeal to you, too.

[BerneseMtDogEatsArco]

The M1000 is a very nice pen - the step from the M800 is, however, one to be tread carefully; I find that the M800 is too small and the M1000 too large because of the long distance from the nib tip to the section end. The price seems pretty good, though I'm somewhat out of touch with how Pels have been pricing lately. A brick and mortar store could help out with the decision, but please if you take their time, purchase something for their service, if good.

 

I'd suggest the XF or F due to the high flow from the nib. If you want to dabble in calligraphy, perhaps choosing a cheaper starter pen with that specific purpose in mind may be better.

 

Best, Mike

[neo]

Maybe I should wait before buying the M1000. But first off, I'll ink my M800 this week. I am waiting for the Pelikan violet ink, which my friend is getting from Australia this week.

 

Thanks all for your suggestions. I felt reassuring and encouraging.

 

Cheers,

Neo

[Tumbleweedtoo]

Hi Neo,

 

You might also look into buying your new M1000 from Printhardcopy here on FPN. I bought an M1000 from him a few months ago and am very satisfied with it, though I think I like my M800 better. I chose not to buy from Melpens because I wanted my pen shipped to a PO Box and Melpens did not offer that option; whereas Printhardcopy did.

 

All the Best,

T

[lapis]

If you don't mind me saying so, the M1000 am M800 are not only the largest but also the "best" Pelikans. The only thing better than an M800 (if an M1000 won't fill the bill) is a Sahara or a Polar Lights or Niagara since these are fatter and somewhat heavier than an M800.

Best thing to do -- as always -- is to hold both (or all 3) in your own hand and write a bit with them. Especially for that dough. Also, all Pelikans have nibs which you yourself can buy anew and exchange. Especially a new M 1000 nib can be about as expensive as 1/4 to 1/3 of the price of a whole new pen including the nib.

For sizes, weights, and nib interchangeability, look at the Pelikan info in Richard's site.

 

Mike

[dds51968]

My two cents is if you traditonally like a medium, then get a fine. I learned that with a 215 I used to have, my m600 I ordered it with a fine.and it fits my medium taste very well. My m800 is also a wonderful pen, it offers a nice size and balance when posted, and is also large enough to be used without the cap for those who prefer that.

 

I would say use your M800 and save the cost of the M1000, really not much of a different pen.

 

David

[gregamckinney]

My 2c: The real difference in size between the 800 and the 1000 is when posted. I love large pens and have very large hands, but the M1000 posted is almost (almost) too big.

 

The other big difference between the two is in the nib feel. Both have great nibs, but the 1000 nib is much softer- so much so that I sprung the first two 1000 nibs that I owned. If you have a heavy hand, the M1000 may be a challenge.

 

All that said, I have both and use them regularly. My current rotation of about 12 pens includes my M1000 and two, M800-sized pens.

 

Regards, greg

[fabrimedeiros]

I own a M1000 and a M800. Both are great pens. They're my two best pens and best writers, but their nibs are different each other. M800 is stiff nib; the other is like a semi-flex nib.

I suggest you buy from Printhardcopy, who is an official Pelikan dealer and FPN's best Pelikan supplier. (he is also a FPN member).

 

cheers,

 

Fabricio

Edited July 12, 2010 by fabrimedeiros

[fpnuser]

And ... I think the right size of pen to write with depends also on what you're writing (just to show the notion of 'best' is a long way from resolution). I like to use my M750 with a F for drafting my fiction efforts. For thinking ideas onto paper, I like my Visconti Ti Demonstrator - a very big, fat pen with a juicy M. Whereas poetry seems to flow better with my Omas Milord or one of my Sailor 1911s. Vivez les differénces!!