Suggestions for XF/F "felt"-tipped/fineliner pens

August 21, 2009

I know this forum is mainly for fountain pens, but I've seen other threads talking about other writing utensils, so I figure this'll be okay. Anyway, I'm looking for some suggestions for some XF-F (something under 0.5mm tip) felt-tipped pens/markers (I think they're called fineliner pens?) that I can use to write in textbooks with (as well as on regular paper too). Fountain pen ink won't work on the glossy pages and some permanent markers seem to bleed through pages (or at least leave a very noticeable "shadow" on the back sides of pages). Anyone have any suggestions?

Edited August 21, 2009 by Arts11

August 21, 2009

Pitt Artist Markers are fabulous and the they have a one pen that is very thin

August 21, 2009

One answer...

".too copic Multiliner SP"

When you are not using isographs which are the most care-intensive pens around, but the most finelined (down to 0.1mm), but you prefer felt-tipped, take a look for these.

They are more expensive than any other brnd (around 5 euros to 8 dollars), but you can change the nib or the ink tank seperately, and after the change of 6 tips OR 2 inktanks, it already has become a cheap pen.

And they exist down to 0.05mm in tip-width, which means the line is applied without any pressure on a non-soaking paper around 0.12mm in width.

Most Art-Supply stores offer these pens, and the electronic bay is a good source, too.

They come in

0.05 / 0.1 / 0.2 / 0.25 / 0.3 / 0.35 / 0.5 / 0.7 / 1.0 / Brush Tipped

Get the 0.05 or 0.1 for the smallest tips ever sen on pens with felt tip, even the Micron or Sakura Pigma Pens with the same width produce slightly wider lines due to their ink consistencee...and are not refillable.

I stopped using every other brand after 5 years of studying and use nothing else since 4 years.

Hope that helped, lemme know about your experiences.

TheHOINK

Pitt Artist Pens Fine, with chinese ink, are 0.2mm in width, just FYI.

If you would like to see some scans compared one to another, I have the full range of Multliner SP and can show it together with a G2 gel pen or a 0,5mm ballpoint or needlepoint, just lket me know.

Edited August 21, 2009 by TheHOINK

August 22, 2009

Pitt Artist Markers are fabulous and the they have a one pen that is very thin

Thanks for the suggestion.

One answer...
".too copic Multiliner SP"

When you are not using isographs which are the most care-intensive pens around, but the most finelined (down to 0.1mm), but you prefer felt-tipped, take a look for these.
They are more expensive than any other brnd (around 5 euros to 8 dollars), but you can change the nib or the ink tank seperately, and after the change of 6 tips OR 2 inktanks, it already has become a cheap pen.
And they exist down to 0.05mm in tip-width, which means the line is applied without any pressure on a non-soaking paper around 0.12mm in width.

Most Art-Supply stores offer these pens, and the electronic bay is a good source, too.
They come in
0.05 / 0.1 / 0.2 / 0.25 / 0.3 / 0.35 / 0.5 / 0.7 / 1.0 / Brush Tipped

Get the 0.05 or 0.1 for the smallest tips ever sen on pens with felt tip, even the Micron or Sakura Pigma Pens with the same width produce slightly wider lines due to their ink consistencee...and are not refillable.

I stopped using every other brand after 5 years of studying and use nothing else since 4 years.

Hope that helped, lemme know about your experiences.

TheHOINK

Pitt Artist Pens Fine, with chinese ink, are 0.2mm in width, just FYI.
If you would like to see some scans compared one to another, I have the full range of Multliner SP and can show it together with a G2 gel pen or a 0,5mm ballpoint or needlepoint, just lket me know.

Interesting. I'm actually not too picky about what kind of pen/marker. I'm kinda on a budget right now so disposables are perfectly fine with me as I'm thinking about getting multiple colors, not just black or blue (so I'd need a lot of separate pens at one time).

As a benchmark, I have a Sharpie Ultra-Fine Point permanent marker (don't know the size measurement on that), and I would prefer a pen/marker that writes finer than that. I guess something in the 0.4 area would work (though I don't want something too fine or else it'll kinda blend in with the text on the page).

August 22, 2009

"Copic Multiliner SP" in 0.3mm are existing in 12 different colours.

Sakura Pigma Markers, too. Just look up Jetpens, they have preey much the full sortiments. What you can not finde, look up the electronic bay or "transotype.com", a big suppier for tools like that.

Another Idea might be the "Schwan Stabilo Fine Point", which offer a Box of six-sided, yellow with white stripes pens in 20 colours for around 10 euros. They have a line width of 0.4mm and are extremly colourfull and the pens last for an eternity.

Search for "Stabilo 88" in the net, maybe "Stabilo 88 Finepoint". The are avaiable in 30 Colours, or in Boxes of 20 or 10.

IF the pen is fully colourd i it's barrel, it is the "Stabilo 68", which is a felt tipped marker with 2mm.

So you need to search for the yellow/orange barreled ones with white stripes and coloured caps.

And yes, the are avaiable in USA and around the globe, the most sold fineliner worldwide, like the Pilot G2 is it for Gelpens.

August 22, 2009

"Copic Multiliner SP" in 0.3mm are existing in 12 different colours.

Sakura Pigma Markers, too. Just look up Jetpens, they have preey much the full sortiments. What you can not finde, look up the electronic bay or "transotype.com", a big suppier for tools like that.

Another Idea might be the "Schwan Stabilo Fine Point", which offer a Box of six-sided, yellow with white stripes pens in 20 colours for around 10 euros. They have a line width of 0.4mm and are extremly colourfull and the pens last for an eternity.
Search for "Stabilo 88" in the net, maybe "Stabilo 88 Finepoint". The are avaiable in 30 Colours, or in Boxes of 20 or 10.

IF the pen is fully colourd i it's barrel, it is the "Stabilo 68", which is a felt tipped marker with 2mm.
So you need to search for the yellow/orange barreled ones with white stripes and coloured caps.

And yes, the are avaiable in USA and around the globe, the most sold fineliner worldwide, like the Pilot G2 is it for Gelpens.

Awesome. Thanks for the tip. I just googled Stabilo and I'm pretty sure I found one of those pens before and I vaguely remember it was a pretty good writer. Thank you for reminding me what it was!

August 22, 2009

No problem ^_^

I am glad if I was of use and could help.

I mean, after all this is what boards are for, right? ^_^

Good luck in finding the fineliner of our desire.

TheHOINK

August 22, 2009

My sister swears by Staedler Triplus. Lots of colors, comfortable and the triangular barrel won't roll away.

I used Stabilo .88's (they're actually 0.4 despite the name) when I was in Uni.

August 22, 2009

My sister swears by Staedler Triplus. Lots of colors, comfortable and the triangular barrel won't roll away.
I used Stabilo .88's (they're actually 0.4 despite the name) when I was in Uni.

Ooo thanks for the other suggestion.

Just out of curiosity, but do you all use your felt/fineliners as daily writing pens/markers, or only for certain occasions/scratch notes? I'm wondering how feasible it is to use these pens as regular writers; like how long have you guys used a single pen/marker for before the ink ran out?

August 22, 2009

As a daily writer a "Stabilo 88" is quite comfortable.

You normally take the cottons volume inside the pen and the amount of ink it has, divided by the width of it's nib to see how long a pen is running.

There are some standards you can refer to.

For example a normal Highlighter with 5mm of Tip-Width runs for about 300 to 450 Meters, a marker used with it's nib about 2mm runs for about 600 meters.

And pen-highlighters, which are smaller and round-barreled with liquid ink inside normally have a lower distance, since they have a smaller reservoir.

A normal Ballpoint-pen with international standard maximum cartridge, like fount in pretty much all the Faber-Castell eMotions or Grip Plus Ballpoints runs for about 10.000 Meters writing in m-width, for a price of around 3 Euros (no joke).

As a comparison, the Schwan Stabilo 88 runs for about 900 to 1.200 meters, which equals writing of around 150 to 300 full written pages, every line used from start to end, of a paper with 5mm squares.

So, if your writing is bigger, it will last longer, it it is very small it will last a little less, since you bring a lot more ink to a single page.

A simple lead from a Pentel Energel "Pentel EnerGel BL77" 0.5mm lasted for about a semester, or 5 month of quite intensive note-taking, since it was my diploma-semester. But it was not my only writer. I did, however, about half my notes with it.

They are said to be lasting for between 700 to 900 metres.

Most of the time my fineliners dry out, that's why I changed completely to isographs a few years ago and ery very thin fountain pens, so I could take my colours and to better know what quality the ink is of.

Stabilo88 last for an eternity for a very cheap price, if you take care of the nib. Just let it flow, presing to hard will cause the ink to stop since the felt gets pressed and the fibres shut of therefore.

You just have to take care they are not exposed to sunlight, because they fade quite fast. Waterbased ink.

Another interesting pen might be the "Pentel Slicci BG202", they have needlepoints, drawing ultrasharp lines with 15 colours, and the linewidth of about 0.25mm is very good. They last for about 900 Metres, are avaiable since 2007 and use a liquid gel-ink.

They write ultrasoft, softer than a Pilot G2 Gel Pen.

But they are a little tougher to dfing than the stabilo 88.

Good luck, and keep us up which pen-experiences you whitness ^_^

TheHOINK

August 22, 2009

As a daily writer a "Stabilo 88" is quite comfortable.
You normally take the cottons volume inside the pen and the amount of ink it has, divided by the width of it's nib to see how long a pen is running.

There are some standards you can refer to.

For example a normal Highlighter with 5mm of Tip-Width runs for about 300 to 450 Meters, a marker used with it's nib about 2mm runs for about 600 meters.
And pen-highlighters, which are smaller and round-barreled with liquid ink inside normally have a lower distance, since they have a smaller reservoir.

A normal Ballpoint-pen with international standard maximum cartridge, like fount in pretty much all the Faber-Castell eMotions or Grip Plus Ballpoints runs for about 10.000 Meters writing in m-width, for a price of around 3 Euros (no joke).

As a comparison, the Schwan Stabilo 88 runs for about 900 to 1.200 meters, which equals writing of around 150 to 300 full written pages, every line used from start to end, of a paper with 5mm squares.

So, if your writing is bigger, it will last longer, it it is very small it will last a little less, since you bring a lot more ink to a single page.
A simple lead from a Pentel Energel "Pentel EnerGel BL77" 0.5mm lasted for about a semester, or 5 month of quite intensive note-taking, since it was my diploma-semester. But it was not my only writer. I did, however, about half my notes with it.
They are said to be lasting for between 700 to 900 metres.

Most of the time my fineliners dry out, that's why I changed completely to isographs a few years ago and ery very thin fountain pens, so I could take my colours and to better know what quality the ink is of.

Stabilo88 last for an eternity for a very cheap price, if you take care of the nib. Just let it flow, presing to hard will cause the ink to stop since the felt gets pressed and the fibres shut of therefore.
You just have to take care they are not exposed to sunlight, because they fade quite fast. Waterbased ink.

Another interesting pen might be the "Pentel Slicci BG202", they have needlepoints, drawing ultrasharp lines with 15 colours, and the linewidth of about 0.25mm is very good. They last for about 900 Metres, are avaiable since 2007 and use a liquid gel-ink.
They write ultrasoft, softer than a Pilot G2 Gel Pen.
But they are a little tougher to dfing than the stabilo 88.

Good luck, and keep us up which pen-experiences you whitness ^_^

TheHOINK

Thanks for the awesome description. I'll probably end up getting some Stabilo88s since I have at least some experience with them, but I'm definitely going to consider those other ones in the future.