Vintage Conklin Endura..likely a Jr. considering size

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green-evenly colored, straight nib-Not marked 14k, leverfiller.

wondering about this pen..its value?

 

 

[jar]

green-evenly colored, straight nib-Not marked 14k, leverfiller.

wondering about this pen..its value?

 

Check a few things very closely. Look for cracks where the pin for the lever passes through the body. Also check the studs holding the clip to the cap for any play.

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green-evenly colored, straight nib-Not marked 14k, leverfiller.

wondering about this pen..its value?

 

Check a few things very closely. Look for cracks where the pin for the lever passes through the body. Also check the studs holding the clip to the cap for any play.

thanks for the tips:) will go and take my magnifier for another look-these details-tomorrow..

the pen looked quite clean..though I expected to find a marked gold nib.

what would be the price range for this pen, in good condition?

[jar]

green-evenly colored, straight nib-Not marked 14k, leverfiller.

wondering about this pen..its value?

 

Check a few things very closely. Look for cracks where the pin for the lever passes through the body. Also check the studs holding the clip to the cap for any play.

thanks for the tips:) will go and take my magnifier for another look-these details-tomorrow..

the pen looked quite clean..though I expected to find a marked gold nib.

what would be the price range for this pen, in good condition?

 

None of my Enduras have proof marks on the nib. They say Conklin in script and Endura in block letters underneath. Also the hole in the nib is either a slim crescent or a modified crescent. Also see if they have a redwood endura cap or extra clip for me.

 

Is the one you are looking at hard rubber or plastic?

Edited June 29, 2009 by jar

[Hugh200au]

Is the pen a flattop? Does the nib just say Conklin Toledo? Does it have a cresent shaped breather hole in the nib? Is it a ringtop ?

 

All Conklin Toledo nibs are gold, the earlier pens have the cresent shaped breather hole. Most Conklins have either a model designation (ie Endura, Symetric etc) or just Toledo imprinted on the barrel. My suspicion on the info supplied ( mainly the even colour) is that it's a "Toledo" model which is a flattop and looks like an Endura but without the barrel grooves and sits below the top line and above the bottom line. Check that the clip hasn't broken off if it looks like a clipless cap.

It will be a plastic pen, too.

Price? Probably $40- $80 depending on the brassing etc....but that's a guess only.

 

Regards

Hugh

Edited June 29, 2009 by Hugh200au

[pen2paper]

Is the pen a flattop? Does the nib just say Conklin Toledo? Does it have a cresent shaped breather hole in the nib? Is it a ringtop ?

 

All Conklin Toledo nibs are gold, the earlier pens have the cresent shaped breather hole. Most Conklins have either a model designation (ie Endura, Symetric etc) or just Toledo imprinted on the barrel. My suspicion on the info supplied ( mainly the even colour) is that it's a "Toledo" model which is a flattop and sits below the top line and above the bottom line. Check that the clip hasn't broken off if it looks like a clipless cap.

It will be a plastic pen, too.

Price? Probably $40- $80 depending on the brassing etc....but that's a guess only.

 

Regards

Hugh

I will look again tomorrow, and report back.. flat top, clip, says Conklin and Endura on nib and body, I don't recall toledo.

nice even opaque green marble..not translucent like celluloid. the quality of the body color is what caused me to ask it be taken out of the case for examination. definitely needs resac, but lever not sprung. will bring magnifier to check for lighted 10X level cracks, loose clips..

from the one site I quickly checked the rings on the body lead me to belive it's a jr.

Thanks for your many good suggestions//its rare to find apiece in an antique shop that isn't incredibly overpriced...& broken. requiring extensive repairs than beyond cost effective.

[Hugh200au]

Is the pen a flattop? Does the nib just say Conklin Toledo? Does it have a cresent shaped breather hole in the nib? Is it a ringtop ?

 

All Conklin Toledo nibs are gold, the earlier pens have the cresent shaped breather hole. Most Conklins have either a model designation (ie Endura, Symetric etc) or just Toledo imprinted on the barrel. My suspicion on the info supplied ( mainly the even colour) is that it's a "Toledo" model which is a flattop and sits below the top line and above the bottom line. Check that the clip hasn't broken off if it looks like a clipless cap.

It will be a plastic pen, too.

Price? Probably $40- $80 depending on the brassing etc....but that's a guess only.

 

Regards

Hugh

I will look again tomorrow, and report back.. flat top, clip, says Conklin and Endura on nib and body, I don't recall toledo.

nice even opaque green marble..not translucent like celluloid. the quality of the body color is what caused me to ask it be taken out of the case for examination. definitely needs resac, but lever not sprung. will bring magnifier to check for lighted 10X level cracks, loose clips..

from the one site I quickly checked the rings on the body lead me to belive it's a jr.

Thanks for your many good suggestions//its rare to find apiece in an antique shop that isn't incredibly overpriced...& broken. requiring extensive repairs than beyond cost effective.

 

Definetly an Endura!! The standard is a bit under 5" long, and the colour sounds good so the value increases to $100+ ...maybe $200+...as the green marble is a sought after colour....and IF you don't want it and would like to sell it cheaply...

 

Regards

Hugh

[pen2paper]

Is the pen a flattop? Does the nib just say Conklin Toledo? Does it have a cresent shaped breather hole in the nib? Is it a ringtop ?

 

All Conklin Toledo nibs are gold, the earlier pens have the cresent shaped breather hole. Most Conklins have either a model designation (ie Endura, Symetric etc) or just Toledo imprinted on the barrel. My suspicion on the info supplied ( mainly the even colour) is that it's a "Toledo" model which is a flattop and sits below the top line and above the bottom line. Check that the clip hasn't broken off if it looks like a clipless cap.

It will be a plastic pen, too.

Price? Probably $40- $80 depending on the brassing etc....but that's a guess only.

 

Regards

Hugh

I will look again tomorrow, and report back.. flat top, clip, says Conklin and Endura on nib and body, I don't recall toledo.

nice even opaque green marble..not translucent like celluloid. the quality of the body color is what caused me to ask it be taken out of the case for examination. definitely needs resac, but lever not sprung. will bring magnifier to check for lighted 10X level cracks, loose clips..

from the one site I quickly checked the rings on the body lead me to belive it's a jr.

Thanks for your many good suggestions//its rare to find apiece in an antique shop that isn't incredibly overpriced...& broken. requiring extensive repairs than beyond cost effective.

http://www.billspens.com/billspens/conklin...enduraverde.htm

revisited the pen today..it's being held for me..

to make the decision, need to discern if the following repairs are possible?

No clip..Because-there is a clean step in the plastic at the top, with a clean hole..I'm positive it was a ringtop, and in the catalog there were 2 sizes of clip, + a ringtop.

1)So would it be possible to find a Correct metal ringtop?

2)It needs to be resacced

3) there is No crack at the lever.. I looked just under the lever, it lifts just a bit, and at the point which is supposed to be the issue the body at the Other end of the lever has no crack.

4)However, on the cap, there is a crack which is tight, and completely secured by the metal band, so while there is a crack, the plastic is otherwise in such good condition that this crack is probably the best example of a stable crack I've seen.. and the cap threads on and off perfectly.. so how much does this defect concern a buyer? could it be stabilzed even further without messing up the threads?

 

Now for the reason I Would consider this pen...

The Color! from the Conklin info I could find it is the Verde green, the brighter, later version, and has Zero color degradation..looks like a new pen.. in fact the plastic is so evenly colored, NO dark color change at the sac area...I did wonder if this might be a green mottled HR. it's black on bright green.

The feed. Ebonite? Perfect, looks brand new.

The nib.. Even, straight, Flexy.. Want this nib! Conkin Endura-half moon..nib not shiny, not corroded..can see small irridium at tip.

Oh and I read about the issue with bad imprints on body.. this one is bold and perfect

Trade Conklin Mark

Endura

Toledo Ohio

I may have mixed up this order..but it's all there.

on the lever which Looks like gold, crisply states Pat Nov 17, 192?5or 7 sorry don't have the paper in front of me as I type.

 

So can a metal ringtop be found to restore the pen?

sac restored without cracking the body to smithereens?

Cap crack be stabilized, or ok as is with bands intact?

Who would You have do this restoration?

What should I pay for this pen?

Thanks for sharing information on this fun find:)

Have seen a zillion ratty old parts pens in the wild..1st time finding one with 'potential'

[jar]

So can a metal ringtop be found to restore the pen?

sac restored without cracking the body to smithereens?

Cap crack be stabilized, or ok as is with bands intact?

Who would You have do this restoration?

What should I pay for this pen?

Thanks for sharing information on this fun find:)

Have seen a zillion ratty old parts pens in the wild..1st time finding one with 'potential'

 

It can likely be resaced.

I've been looking for a clip for years.

 

The restoration of something like that would be the kind of thing I'd trust to someone like David Nishimura.

[pen2paper]

So can a metal ringtop be found to restore the pen?

sac restored without cracking the body to smithereens?

Cap crack be stabilized, or ok as is with bands intact?

Who would You have do this restoration?

What should I pay for this pen?

Thanks for sharing information on this fun find:)

Have seen a zillion ratty old parts pens in the wild..1st time finding one with 'potential'

 

It can likely be resaced.

I've been looking for a clip for years.

 

The restoration of something like that would be the kind of thing I'd trust to someone like David Nishimura.

so would you buy your endura with the missing clip again?

iows, should I go for it? considering restoration cost, what price limit?

[jar]

So can a metal ringtop be found to restore the pen?

sac restored without cracking the body to smithereens?

Cap crack be stabilized, or ok as is with bands intact?

Who would You have do this restoration?

What should I pay for this pen?

Thanks for sharing information on this fun find:)

Have seen a zillion ratty old parts pens in the wild..1st time finding one with 'potential'

 

It can likely be resaced.

I've been looking for a clip for years.

 

The restoration of something like that would be the kind of thing I'd trust to someone like David Nishimura.

so would you buy your endura with the missing clip again?

iows, should I go for it? considering restoration cost, what price limit?

 

Probably not. I'd look for one that is already restored.

[Hugh200au]

Is the pen a flattop? Does the nib just say Conklin Toledo? Does it have a cresent shaped breather hole in the nib? Is it a ringtop ?

 

All Conklin Toledo nibs are gold, the earlier pens have the cresent shaped breather hole. Most Conklins have either a model designation (ie Endura, Symetric etc) or just Toledo imprinted on the barrel. My suspicion on the info supplied ( mainly the even colour) is that it's a "Toledo" model which is a flattop and sits below the top line and above the bottom line. Check that the clip hasn't broken off if it looks like a clipless cap.

It will be a plastic pen, too.

Price? Probably $40- $80 depending on the brassing etc....but that's a guess only.

 

Regards

Hugh

I will look again tomorrow, and report back.. flat top, clip, says Conklin and Endura on nib and body, I don't recall toledo.

nice even opaque green marble..not translucent like celluloid. the quality of the body color is what caused me to ask it be taken out of the case for examination. definitely needs resac, but lever not sprung. will bring magnifier to check for lighted 10X level cracks, loose clips..

from the one site I quickly checked the rings on the body lead me to belive it's a jr.

Thanks for your many good suggestions//its rare to find apiece in an antique shop that isn't incredibly overpriced...& broken. requiring extensive repairs than beyond cost effective.

http://www.billspens.com/billspens/conklin...enduraverde.htm

revisited the pen today..it's being held for me..

to make the decision, need to discern if the following repairs are possible?

No clip..Because-there is a clean step in the plastic at the top, with a clean hole..I'm positive it was a ringtop, and in the catalog there were 2 sizes of clip, + a ringtop.

1)So would it be possible to find a Correct metal ringtop?

2)It needs to be resacced

3) there is No crack at the lever.. I looked just under the lever, it lifts just a bit, and at the point which is supposed to be the issue the body at the Other end of the lever has no crack.

4)However, on the cap, there is a crack which is tight, and completely secured by the metal band, so while there is a crack, the plastic is otherwise in such good condition that this crack is probably the best example of a stable crack I've seen.. and the cap threads on and off perfectly.. so how much does this defect concern a buyer? could it be stabilzed even further without messing up the threads?

 

Now for the reason I Would consider this pen...

The Color! from the Conklin info I could find it is the Verde green, the brighter, later version, and has Zero color degradation..looks like a new pen.. in fact the plastic is so evenly colored, NO dark color change at the sac area...I did wonder if this might be a green mottled HR. it's black on bright green.

The feed. Ebonite? Perfect, looks brand new.

The nib.. Even, straight, Flexy.. Want this nib! Conkin Endura-half moon..nib not shiny, not corroded..can see small irridium at tip.

Oh and I read about the issue with bad imprints on body.. this one is bold and perfect

Trade Conklin Mark

Endura

Toledo Ohio

I may have mixed up this order..but it's all there.

on the lever which Looks like gold, crisply states Pat Nov 17, 192?5or 7 sorry don't have the paper in front of me as I type.

 

So can a metal ringtop be found to restore the pen?

sac restored without cracking the body to smithereens?

Cap crack be stabilized, or ok as is with bands intact?

Who would You have do this restoration?

What should I pay for this pen?

Thanks for sharing information on this fun find:)

Have seen a zillion ratty old parts pens in the wild..1st time finding one with 'potential'

 

Once you go to the ringtops they are a lot cheaper, so the chance of buying one to use for spares cheaply increases. They are a simple friction fit, and can be soaked for a bit to loosen them, DON'T use heat as I'd reckon it's celluloid ( the was a debate earlier and the conclussion was that Conklin didn't make a green rubber pen in this style). The crack should be okay, and unless a missing top can be found not much point spending more. So I'd probably just display it as is and hope one turns that can be used for parts.

I'd buy it for the colour but wouldn't want to part with too much, the last ringtop I bought cost me around $50 del. to Australia..near mint except for a very small chip in the lip (mottled brown colour, a common one). So that should give you some idea on the price . I haven't used any of the repairers that post here, but Ron Zorn does repair cracks (very well it would seem) as well all the rest.

 

Good luck!!

Hugh

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Thanks gentlemen for your time and information..

$50. for a pen delivered in pristine restored condition puts this one out of the running..

Its basics, (color, nib, section, imprint, lever,) are So good, I'll be sorry to pass it by.

Perhaps I should ask Ron what the posiblities are for finding the ringtop, and resac..

the crack is so tight/stable might not be an issue.

For myself I actually prefer ringtops, so seeing the catalog with This pen was more exciting than seeing a model with a missing "unfindable" clip.

Best regards,

p2p