the ad 2000 longitude

[georges zaslavsky]

1) Pour quelle raison ? Je ne suis jamais allé dans ces 2 centres et je doute qu'il y aie un lien avec la vallée.

 

2) Alors pourquoi me demandes tu où est la vallée ?

 

3)Les éditions limitées à des milliers d'exemplairesne n'ont le caractère d'illimité que pour faire vendre plus cher. Elles ne sont ni rares, ni recherchée en général. Une édition limitée c'est 200 pièces, pas 3000.

 

4) What is an outstanding deal for you ?

 

I don't care if the owner's mother had a lover and if his father was alcoholic and his brother retarded. I just look at the price.

 

And 190 euros for a BP dunhill Sidecar is the listed price. At la vallée, you have 40% off.

1) j'ai eu une très mauvaise expérience au niveau sav en achetant en 2002 un parker duofold dans un centre commerical. Ce qui intéresse les centres commerciaux, c'est de vendre et le SAV y est médiocre très souvent.

 

2) Pour info simplement.

 

3) Le perpetual calendar Longitude est un outil fonctionnel c'est une série limitée car j'en vois pas des masses des ad 2000 longitude. Le longitude offre une complication telle que le calendrier perpetuel fonctionnel et ceci est assez rare sur un stylo. Le ad 2000 a été fabriqué 1200 pièces.

 

4) Outstanding deal means great price and unbeatable after sales/customer service. Buying a pen 40% off and having a poor after sales customer service is not a good deal but a bad deal.

I wonder how good is the after sales service at la vallee.

[bilbok]

 

1) j'ai eu une très mauvaise expérience au niveau sav en achetant en 2002 un parker duofold dans un centre commerical. Ce qui intéresse les centres commerciaux, c'est de vendre et le SAV y est médiocre très souvent.

 

Le lieu d'achat ne change rien au SAV.

Si tu achètes un stylo chez Dunhill à la vallée, le SAV sera rue de la paix, comme pour un achat rue de la paix.

Et c'est la même chose pour la plupart des achats online.

Le sav est assuré par la marque, pas par le centre commercial.

 

 

3) Le perpetual calendar Longitude est un outil fonctionnel c'est une série limitée car j'en vois pas des masses des ad 2000 longitude. Le longitude offre une complication telle que le calendrier perpetuel fonctionnel et ceci est assez rare sur un stylo. Le ad 2000 a été fabriqué 1200 pièces.

Je n'ai jamais vu personne sortir un AD 2000 devant moi.

Le caractère limité ne le rend pas plus beau plus fonctionnel, c'est juste un piège marketing pour vendre.

Ca sert à quoi le calendrier?

 

4) Outstanding deal means great price and unbeatable after sales/customer service. Buying a pen 40% off and having a poor after sales customer service is not a good deal but a bad deal.

I wonder how good is the after sales service at la vallee.

Do a unbeatable customer service exist ? They all seem rather poor to me.

If you buy at la vallée, the after sales service is in the main shop, not at la vallée.

So it is the same service if not better than when you buy from a Dunhill dealer.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[georges zaslavsky]

1) Le lieu d'achat ne change rien au SAV.

Si tu achètes un stylo chez Dunhill à la vallée, le SAV sera rue de la paix, comme pour un achat rue de la paix.

Et c'est la même chose pour la plupart des achats online.

Le sav est assuré par la marque, pas par le centre commercial.

 

2) Je n'ai jamais vu personne sortir un AD 2000 devant moi.

Le caractère limité ne le rend pas plus beau plus fonctionnel, c'est juste un piège marketing pour vendre.

Ca sert à quoi le calendrier?

 

3) Do a unbeatable customer service exist ? They all seem rather poor to me.

If you buy at la vallée, the after sales service is in the main shop, not at la vallée.

So it is the same service if not better than when you buy from a Dunhill dealer.

Sorry for my late reply but here are my answers:

1) Oh que si, une boutique spécialisée dans le stylo avec une renommée mondiale de plus 80 ans et connue sur les cinq continents a plus d'expérience qu'un fashion shop comme la vallée créé il y a une dizaine d'années. Mr Mora est un spécialiste de la réparation et restauration en stylos plumes. Est-ce le cas des gens de la Vallée? Non.

To sum it up, when you want to buy pens then you have to buy them in a specialized shop not in a shop that sell clothes or any other fashion accessories.

2) The fact that you haven't seen a person writing with an AD 2000 doesn't mean that there aren't people who don't write with it. The ad2000 wasn't a marketing trap, it was a great pen made by dunhill and better than the sidecar. The calendar was avoiding people to waste their time looking at a calendar when they already had a calendar on the pen.

3) Yes, an unbeatable customer service exists and it does and of course it depends where you buy your pens. Of course a pen shop with a 80 years of existence and known worldwide, will de facto have a flawless customer service as compared to a fashion shop that has no pen tech and that is only existing since ten years.

Edited January 18, 2009 by georges zaslavsky

[bilbok]

1) Le lieu d'achat ne change rien au SAV.

Si tu achètes un stylo chez Dunhill à la vallée, le SAV sera rue de la paix, comme pour un achat rue de la paix.

Et c'est la même chose pour la plupart des achats online.

Le sav est assuré par la marque, pas par le centre commercial.

 

2) Je n'ai jamais vu personne sortir un AD 2000 devant moi.

Le caractère limité ne le rend pas plus beau plus fonctionnel, c'est juste un piège marketing pour vendre.

Ca sert à quoi le calendrier?

 

3) Do a unbeatable customer service exist ? They all seem rather poor to me.

If you buy at la vallée, the after sales service is in the main shop, not at la vallée.

So it is the same service if not better than when you buy from a Dunhill dealer.

Sorry for my late reply but here are my answer

 

1) Oh que si, une boutique spécialisée dans le stylo avec une renommée mondiale de plus 80 ans et connue sur les cinq continents a plus d'expérience qu'un fashion shop comme la vallée créé il y a une dizaine d'années. Mr Mora est un spécialiste de la réparation et restauration en stylos plumes. Est-ce le cas des gens de la Vallée? Non.

 

 

Si tu as un soucis avec ton stylo acheté à la Vallée, tu vas rue de la Paix au SAV de la marque et non à la vallée.

 

Si tu as un soucis avec ton stylo acheté dans ta boutique et que ty y retournes, ta boutique ne fera qu'envoyer le stylo chez Dunhill pour une réparation et s'il elle répare elle même, la réparation ne sera pas meilleure que chez Dunhill.

 

 

 

 

 

To sum it up, when you want to buy pens then you have to buy them in a specialized shop not in a shop that sell clothes or any other fashion accessories.

 

This is a stupid statement. You buy a pen from Dunhill, you have a Dunhill warranty. You deal with Dunhill and not with the shop. The shop is just a middleman. You will have better advices or choice but the pens are the same. SI if you can get the same pen on sales at Dunhill, why going to a shop selling pens?

 

 

2) The fact that you haven't seen a person writing with an AD 2000 doesn't mean that there aren't people who don't write with it. The ad2000 wasn't a marketing trap, it was a great pen made by dunhill and better than the sidecar. The calendar was avoiding people to waste their time looking at a calendar when they already had a calendar on the pen.

 

You were the one telling that you didn't see AD LONGITUDE and that it was showing that it was rare.

 

I added that I didn't see ANY AD and so that you could use the normal AD as well without seeing anyone with the same pen

 

 

AD is a good pen. This limited edition is a trap because they are not really limited as thousands have been made. True limited is 50 pens. In this case, it just allow Dunhill to lift the price by making an illusion of exclusivity.

 

The calendar is a gadget that doesn't justify paying 3 times more than a standard AD 2000 as you did. You can get the AD 2000 for 100 euros on ebay.

 

 

 

 

 

 

3) Yes, an unbeatable customer service exists and it does and of course it depends where you buy your pens. Of course a pen shop with a 80 years of existence and known worldwide, will de facto have a flawless customer service as compared to a fashion shop that has no pen tech and that is only existing since ten years.

 

This is silly. A good shop will be good even if it has been opened for a few months. A bad shop can be 150 years old as people working inside are not necessary the ones who made the shop effecient enough to live 150 years.

 

DUNHILL has more than 80 years of experiences so is a better supllier than your shop if i follow your logic. So buy from a DUNHILL shop at la vallée is better than in your shop

 

The supposed extra service you think you would get in your shop for a sidecar doesn't justify paying 50% more than at la vallée, in the Dunhill shop.

Edited February 5, 2009 by bilbok

[bilbok]

I paid my AD with no calendar 100 euros on ebay.

 

So paying 400 euros is a trap

 

AD is not better than Sidecar or Sentryman. They are all good. But AD is a better deal as you can get it for less

Edited October 15, 2009 by MYU
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[Silvermink]

I got the opportunity to fondle... err, handle one of the carbon fibre AD 2000s today at one of the local pen shops - the sales guy there said that it was his favorite pen in the whole store (and I believe him, since I was looking at other pens at the time and he was the one that brought up the Dunhills. ) The finish on it is just mind-blowingly beautiful.

 

[georges zaslavsky]

1) Oh que si, une boutique spécialisée dans le stylo avec une renommée mondiale de plus 80 ans et connue sur les cinq continents a plus d'expérience qu'un fashion shop comme la vallée créé il y a une dizaine d'années. Mr Mora est un spécialiste de la réparation et restauration en stylos plumes. Est-ce le cas des gens de la Vallée? Non.

 

 

Si tu as un soucis avec ton stylo acheté à la Vallée, tu vas rue de la Paix au SAV de la marque et non à la vallée.

 

Si tu as un soucis avec ton stylo acheté dans ta boutique et que ty y retournes, ta boutique ne fera qu'envoyer le stylo chez Dunhill pour une réparation et s'il elle répare elle même, la réparation ne sera pas meilleure que chez Dunhill.

 

To sum it up, when you want to buy pens then you have to buy them in a specialized shop not in a shop that sell clothes or any other fashion accessories.

 

This is a stupid statement. You buy a pen from Dunhill, you have a Dunhill warranty. You deal with Dunhill and not with the shop. The shop is just a middleman. You will have better advices or choice but the pens are the same. SI if you can get the same pen on sales at Dunhill, why going to a shop selling pens?

 

 

2) The fact that you haven't seen a person writing with an AD 2000 doesn't mean that there aren't people who don't write with it. The ad2000 wasn't a marketing trap, it was a great pen made by dunhill and better than the sidecar. The calendar was avoiding people to waste their time looking at a calendar when they already had a calendar on the pen.

 

You were the one telling that you didn't see AD LONGITUDE and that it was showing that it was rare.

 

I added that I didn't see ANY AD and so that you could use the normal AD as well without seeing anyone with the same pen

 

 

AD is a good pen. This limited edition is a trap because they are not really limited as thousands have been made. True limited is 50 pens. In this case, it just allow Dunhill to lift the price by making an illusion of exclusivity.

 

The calendar is a gadget that doesn't justify paying 3 times more than a standard AD 2000 as you did. You can get the AD 2000 for 100 euros on ebay.

 

3) Yes, an unbeatable customer service exists and it does and of course it depends where you buy your pens. Of course a pen shop with a 80 years of existence and known worldwide, will de facto have a flawless customer service as compared to a fashion shop that has no pen tech and that is only existing since ten years.

 

This is silly. A good shop will be good even if it has been opened for a few months. A bad shop can be 150 years old as people working inside are not necessary the ones who made the shop effecient enough to live 150 years.

 

DUNHILL has more than 80 years of experiences so is a better supllier than your shop if i follow your logic. So buy from a DUNHILL shop at la vallée is better than in your shop

 

The supposed extra service you think you would get in your shop for a sidecar doesn't justify paying 50% more than at la vallée, in the Dunhill shop.

Ok here is my reply.

1) The place where you buy your pens makes the whole difference, we will perhaps never agree but a fashion shop where there are ties, jackets, blazers, lighters and pens is not a penshop. It is just an authorized dunhill clothes and apparel dealer but definitely not a pen shop. A penshop sells only pens, ink and pen paraphernilia. A fashion shop is not a pen shop.

a ) My statement is absolutely justified but yours isn't. Do you know the magazine "Le Stylographe" (a magazine specialized in pens)? If yes, the read carefully which are the penshops listed at the end of the magazine or on the website of the stylographe

http://www.lestylographe.com/index.php?opt...8&Itemid=34 As you can see the fashion la vallée shop is not listed, it just confirms what I have said since the very beginning. In all for all, there are fourteen great penshops in Paris but Morastylos is the best and the only one that repairs second hand and vintage pens.

 

b ) Are people who sell clothes knowledgeable on pens? No, they aren't. That is why the penshop is always a better place to buy pens.

 

2) The ad 2000 was an outstanding quality item with a clever design and a first class nib. Is the sentryman better than the AD 2000? No, not at all. A limited edition a trap????? So the other limited editions from other pen manufacturers are a trap too? Look at the numbers of MB or Montegrappa limited editions, they are also built in big numbers. Something exclusive will always remain something exclusive. I have seen two ad 2000 in carbon that were for sale recently, they were new old stock and each was for sale in a different pen shop in St Germain en Laye, one was priced at 650 euros (the initial price of an AD 2000 in carbon was 850 euros) and another one was for sale at 850 euros. Do you honestly think that everything for sale on epray is legit? I don't. Do you have the original box, papers and warranty card of you ad 2000? Please post pics of your ad 2000, I would like to see it.

 

3) No, not at all, a pen shop that has been known worldwide through 8 decades will always have more trust than a fashion shop that opened some months ago. You don't know who Mr Mora is, he is one of the pen experts who are often refered at the artcurial vintage pen auctions. This says more than enough of his professionalism. Do you know Mr Mora's prices? No, then please make a visit on his website before saying something.

http://www.morastylos.com

Edited February 16, 2009 by georges zaslavsky

[georges zaslavsky]

I got the opportunity to fondle... err, handle one of the carbon fibre AD 2000s today at one of the local pen shops - the sales guy there said that it was his favorite pen in the whole store (and I believe him, since I was looking at other pens at the time and he was the one that brought up the Dunhills. ) The finish on it is just mind-blowingly beautiful.

Once, you have tried an AD 2000, you will always want one. Spare some money and buy one, you will never regret it.