Permanent black or blue/black ink needed.

[Shangas]

Damn. Well, when I have some free time (which won't be any day soon), I'll go and buy some Noodlers.

[excarnate]

Lamy, Quink or MB Blue-Blacks are iron gall inks.

 

This is absolutely the first time when I hear that parker Quink Blue-black is iron gall ink. I think it is not. Their catalogue says nothing about that iron-gall thing. But it is true that Lamy Blue-black and Montblanc Blue-black are iron-gall inks.

Quink has a regular blue-black AND a permanent blue-black. I suspect the one that is iron gall would be the permanent one.

I'm sorry, I think you said that backwards. I think you mean "I suspect the permanent one is iron gall". Which is quite different. We know iron gall ink is permanent.

 

I have a bottle of Parker Quick Permanent Black, not Blue-Black, so I can't compare it to the Mont Blanc Blue-Black that _is_ iron gall.

 

I checked the reviews and it seems they are all about a non-permanent blue-black Parker Quink so I think we have to ask:

 

Can someone with Parker Quink permanent Blue Black comment on if it is either marked as iron gall or has warnings similar to iron gall ink, or just comment on if it goes on bluish and turns blackish after a day on the page? Please?

[juhtolv]

 

Can someone with Parker Quink permanent Blue Black comment on if it is either marked as iron gall or has warnings similar to iron gall ink, or just comment on if it goes on bluish and turns blackish after a day on the page? Please?

 

Parker do not use that word ”Permanent” anymore in Quink -inks. They have two washable colors, Washable Blue and Washable Black. Rest of their inks have just some name of color, like Blue, Black and Blue-black. My parker Quink Blue-black was sold in some kind of Blister-package that can be hanging on a hook. I threw away that Blister-packaging, but IIRC there was nothing about iron-gall in its text. Bottle itself has label that says just ”Parker Quink”. Color is indicated with background color of that label. Rest of my Parker Quink -bottles (Blue, Black and Red) came in a cardboard box and none of those boxes have text ”Permanent”.

 

If Parker Quink -ink ever had a text ”Permanent”, then it probably had nothing to do with water-proofness. I think it was about archival quality in normal archive where water is not an issue.

 

[Ondina]

Lamy, Quink or MB Blue-Blacks are iron gall inks.

 

This is absolutely the first time when I hear that parker Quink Blue-black is iron gall ink. I think it is not. Their catalogue says nothing about that iron-gall thing. But it is true that Lamy Blue-black and Montblanc Blue-black are iron-gall inks.

 

 

 

If you had care to cite all my post, this would be more clear, and I assume you did not read only my first one but also #36, because yours is #37. I appreciate you agree that Lamy and MB blue-blacks are iron-gall inks (as their labels state). As for Parker, the one I was refering to, and that I used 25 years back on daily use, is likely to have been, too, as the properties of written text are identical to the MB it was also used for same purposes. I.e., after exposed to U.V., water, etc. the text seems almost unaltered. But as I'm not always right, I asked others to chime in and say if today's blue-black ink is the same. I know Waterman is not, I repeat.

 

By the way, the definition of archival ink's qualities are;chemically stable, waterproof, and fade resistant. No smears, feathers, or bleed-through on paper, etc.

 

I have just googled "Parker Permanent ink". 555.000 results. It might be outdated data. Links to buy permanent blue-black:

 

http://www.shoplet.com/office/db/g16556.html

http://www.discountofficeitems.com/super-q...1_200237_113570

http://www.amazon.com/SANFORD-COMPANY-bott...1/dp/B0006SWBJE

 

Probably today's BB is not archival, as other kind fellow members have remarked, not waterproof but non fading, so is called permanent. But again, the one I used 25 years back, was.

[myles]

Hi Shangas!

 

Pen City definitely stocks the standard Noodler's inks, although they don't list them on their website.

 

I've bought bulletproof Black from them before - I've found it somewhat better at avoiding bleedthrough than some of the "near bulletproof" inks (the category I think Blue-Black and Aircorp Blue-Black fall into).

It's also received quite a bit of water testing on this forum which has shown it to be safely waterproof.

 

Regards, Myles.

 

[Shangas]

Hi Shangas!

 

Pen City definitely stocks the standard Noodler's inks, although they don't list them on their website.

 

I've bought bulletproof Black from them before - I've found it somewhat better at avoiding bleedthrough than some of the "near bulletproof" inks (the category I think Blue-Black and Aircorp Blue-Black fall into).

It's also received quite a bit of water testing on this forum which has shown it to be safely waterproof.

 

Regards, Myles.

 

Thanks much, Myles!! I'll drop by there as soon as I can, and buy some Any idea how much it might cost?

 

[alexanderino]

Should be AUD 19.95, Shangas. Also, avoid Polar Black unless you're heading for Antarctica. It feathers like mad, while Standard Black doesn't.

[Shangas]

Twenty bucks!? Jesus! Looks like I'll be doing a bit of saving up of money first...

 

This better be bloody good ink!!

Edited April 22, 2008 by Shangas

[alexanderino]

For that price, you get around 85 mL — considerably more than most non-standard brands, and they're around $15–25 anyway. And yes, it is a very special ink

Edited April 22, 2008 by alexanderino

[Shangas]

Thanks everyone for the information and advice

 

Tomorrow morning I am OFF! To Pen City in the CBD to try and secure some Blach Noodly Permanenta Inke. Wish me luck!

[Ghosofat]

By the way, I sent a query to Parker's customer service to inquire about its blue-black ink, and am getting a world class runaround from somebody at Rubbermaid, which presumably now owns the company. Trying to find out if it is iron gall, as some here have suggested.

Edited April 23, 2008 by Ghosofat

[Ghosofat]

Turns out it was not a runaround after all. I was referred to a rather interesting website.

 

The website has interesting information on a variety of consumer products, and I was able to obtain a data sheet in PDF format showing the composition of Parker inks. Interestingly, all Quink inks seem to have the same composition. The answer is indeed "no."

 

Here is the website. Sanford Business

Click on "search MSDS" and then search "Quink" as a keyword in the upper left corner. I suppose the same technique can be used to get info on other inks (and many other types of products).

Edited April 23, 2008 by Ghosofat

[dcwaites]

Parker Quink inks are made in at least 3 countries -- France, India and China (Shanghai).

 

I have current (new) bottles of Permanent and Washable Black, Permanent and Washable Blue and Blue-Black.

 

I believe that Permanent refers to long-lasting (I don't think they are archival) and that Washable refers to being easy to wash out of cloth.

 

The Blue-Black I have is neither Permanent (it fades (very quickly) on some papers) and is not easy to wash out.

 

None of my Quink inks are waterproof, as most of the dyes are removed in water.

 

It may be that stock that is packaged for the US market no longer has the word 'Permanent' because it may have been misinterpreted.

 

All my bottles have come in basically black boxes, although new stock seems to come in grey boxes. I have not seen any of the blister packs in Australia, but I have seen them on eBay.

 

The washable inks have logo of wavy lines in a circle on the box.

 

My boxes of Permanent ink had the word 'Permanent' on the box, however this is not carried over to the label.

 

The only way to determine what is in a bottle is by the colour of the label. Consequently I make a new label for the back of the bottle that has what is on the label, i.e. 'Permanent Blue' or 'Washable Black'.

 

As for the price of inks in Australia, here are some examples --

 

Parker Quink ~ $7-$8 for 57 ml

Sheaffer Skrip ~ $7-$8 for 50 ml

Sailor Jentle ~ $12 for 50 ml

Waterman ~ $16 for 50 ml

Private Reserve ~ $16 for 40 ml

Diamine ~ $20 for 80 ml

Noodlers ~ $20 for 90 ml (looks pretty good per ml)

Visconti ~ $25 for 40 ml (very expensive, I am buying some more in the plastic bottle from UK)

 

Parker Quink Cartridges ~ $7 for 7 ml, about the same per ml as a good French eau de cologne.

 

 

 

 

 

[Ondina]

By the way, I sent a query to Parker's customer service to inquire about its blue-black ink, and am getting a world class runaround from somebody at Rubbermaid, which presumably now owns the company. Trying to find out if it is iron gall, as some here have suggested.

 

 

Oh, my, not again....I'm the one that in my first post in this thread listed BB Parker along with Lamy&MB iron gall ones, because when I used, 20 years back it was. I have no idea, since I have not use it recently, if still is or not, and by the description of others -fades, washes- is likely a common one. Anyhow still is confusing....Till recently I have seen bottles labeled as "Permanent BB".

[Shangas]

Right, they did have it, but apparently might be out of stock for a bit. I bought some Noodlers Ottoman Azure instead. Looks like a nice, blue ink. Is it waterproof? I did a bit of testing, but I'm not sure. Which Noodlers inks are W/proof?

[juhtolv]

 

I find myself needing some permanent ink. Either black or blue/black. Nice and dark and waterproof etc etc...you know the drill.

 

Is started a thread called Which bullet-proof blue-black?, Or: Prussian Blue vs. Legal Lapis. People meantion some not-so-bullet-proof alternatives. Maybe some of them are good enough for you.

 

[alexanderino]

Right, they did have it, but apparently might be out of stock for a bit. I bought some Noodlers Ottoman Azure instead. Looks like a nice, blue ink. Is it waterproof? I did a bit of testing, but I'm not sure. Which Noodlers inks are W/proof?

Ottoman Azure is not waterproof. Check this list of Noodler's inks to learn more.

[Shangas]

Yes! I was LOOKING for that darn list! Thanks, Alex! You have saved me from what would've been a completely hopeless search! *reads*

[alexanderino]

Visconti ~ $25 for 40 ml (very expensive, I am buying some more in the plastic bottle from UK)

Turns out that price is outdated: it's now $34 per bottle. You should have bought two

 

Shangas, did you end up getting the Noodler's Black? What's your opinion of it so far?

[Imzadi]

A little late posting, but I love my Heart of Darkness.