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I am fairly new to the fountain pen lifestyle and am thoroughly enjoying it. I am 52 and have always been a pen and paper advocate. I am happy to have found this forum. My first fountain pen was a Zebra, then my wife bought me a glass dip pen which is an exquisite piece of art. I received a Lamy Umbra as a Christmas gift from my son and love it. It came with blue ink but my comfort is with black as I also use the pen to sketch with. I bought black refills and am looking forward to changing out the cartridge. Can I do that in mid use and change back when I want to use blue again? Thank you, creators of this forum!

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5 minutes ago, Sentient Soup said:

Can I do that in mid use and change back when I want to use blue again?

 

Technically, you can, but:

  1. you'll need to have some way to hermetically seal the detached blue ink cartridge; and
  2. you'll need to flush the pen's grip section, including nib and feed, if you want to make an abrupt change in colour, as opposed to letting old ink that is trapped in the feed blend with the new ink, until the former eventually runs out.

I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present, when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable; and link to third-party content where I can, when I make a claim or refute a statement of fact in a thread. If there is something you can verify for yourself, I entreat you to do so, and judge for yourself what is right, correct, and valid. I may be wrong, and my position or say-so is no more authoritative and carries no more weight than anyone else's here.

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Thank you for the welcome as well as the information. I may allow the old blue to flow into the new black. Might be a nice contrast. (I say this now) 

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Additionally, there may be some adverse interactions between the two inks in general (even with the same brand) due to variants in the pH between them.

A number of years ago someone decided to make the "ideal" blue-black ink and mixed Noodler's Black (IIRC) and Noodler's Bay State Blue.  And then posted photos and the results were NOT pretty (the black ink has a neutral pH, and BSB is very alkaline.  The two inks didn't really mix for the most part, so the person's writing was alternating (even on the same line of writing) between the two inks.  Occasionally they would blend, but that didn't happen very much.  And then the chemical reaction took place and the ink started coming out of the person's pen in solid chunks.  I felt so bad for the person!  And it was definitely a wakeup call for me to be super-vigilant (meaning, for me, really really OCD!) in flushing pens out before changing inks or swapping pens in current rotation.

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"It's very nice, but frankly, when I signed that list for a P-51, what I had in mind was a fountain pen."

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2 minutes ago, inkstainedruth said:

… mixed Noodler's Black (IIRC) and Noodler's Bay State Blue.

 

Noodler's Ink Baystate inks should not be mixed with anything outside of that product line and that's that.

I endeavour to be frank and truthful in what I write, show or otherwise present, when I relate my first-hand experiences that are not independently verifiable; and link to third-party content where I can, when I make a claim or refute a statement of fact in a thread. If there is something you can verify for yourself, I entreat you to do so, and judge for yourself what is right, correct, and valid. I may be wrong, and my position or say-so is no more authoritative and carries no more weight than anyone else's here.

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True, but the person who did it apparently hadn't seen the warnings, and I don't think they realized just HOW alkaline that line is....

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large.FPNforwebuse.jpg.3f72f2bf419d2caf5451b08080b2ef25.jpg A warm welcome from Blustry, wet Yorkshire. Have considered using the the glass dip pen for sketching/ drawing and then the world of acrylic and drawing inks opens up to you.

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Aloha and Welcome to our 'Happy Pen and Ink Place'  Sentient Soup! What a delicious nom de plume !

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Welcome to FPN!

Lamy are very good pens, their blue ink cartridges have a lovely shade also.  I had this one Lamy that everyone always tried to steal, it was rollerball with a clip that retracts when clicked. Somone did eventually steal it. I never give people the opportunity to swipe my Lamy dialogue 3  😃  

 

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I only use blue/black inks and will often mix them, but only the same type of ink, and from the same manufacturer.

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Hello and Welcome to FPN!! So glad to have you as a member!!

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Hi from another pen & paper advocate (especially in this world of AI).  I'm new here too.  :)

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:W2FPN: Welcome to FPN!

I usually suggest that new folks click on the "New Content" button when they log in, to get a good overview of a range of topics (which can be adjusted as to how much/often it refreshes) and to check out the Pinned Index to the Ink Reviews (I'm convinced we live in the Golden Age of ink, with new companies popping up all over the globe).

But I also warn them that they've found themselves amongst a band of enablers, who will happily help them spend their discretionary budgets on pens, inks, paper, desk accessories, repair tools, ephemera and pen shows....  

Remember that the only dumb questions are the ones that don't get asked.  I'm constantly amazed, even after over a decade, of the depth and breadth of knowledge to be found here (and not just pen related at that) and the generosity of this community in the sharing of that knowledge.

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On 1/11/2026 at 1:20 PM, Sentient Soup said:

 It came with blue ink but my comfort is with black as I also use the pen to sketch with. I bought black refills and am looking forward to changing out the cartridge. Can I do that in mid use and change back when I want to use blue again? Thank you, creators of this forum!

I know, I know, the wise thing is to be careful about mixing inks.  BUT I guess I have been a bad boy for well over 50 years.  In all that time I have never given mixing inks a second thought and have NEVER had any problems what-so-ever.  

Of course, now that I have said that, sure enough the next time I do it, I'll have to trade my 149 in for a Bic.  

 

P.S.  I HAVE had a few problems with mixing inks.  A number of mixes gave me some pretty disgusting colors that ended up in the sink.

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