Parker 61 photo thread

[jchch1950]

I read that the plastic used in the Parker 61 is quite brittle. Is there any way to change the nib without removing the section?, 

[FarmBoy]

2 hours ago, jchch1950 said:

I read that the plastic used in the Parker 61 is quite brittle. Is there any way to change the nib without removing the section?, 

No.  Also take the connector out of the hood, don't try to remove the hood from the connector.

[jchch1950]

2 hours ago, FarmBoy said:

No.  Also take the connector out of the hood, don't try to remove the hood from the connector.

 Thank you for the quick answer. 

[Carguy]

3 hours ago, FarmBoy said:

No.  Also take the connector out of the hood, don't try to remove the hood from the connector.

Yes this! Took me forever to figure this out, but once I did, it was easy to do.

[IThinkIHaveAProblem]

4 hours ago, FarmBoy said:

No.  Also take the connector out of the hood, don't try to remove the hood from the connector.

 

32 minutes ago, Carguy said:

Yes this! Took me forever to figure this out, but once I did, it was easy to do.

Guys?

I’m dumb. 
I don’t understand this statement 

 

can you please explain it like I’m stupid? 

[Carguy]

13 hours ago, IThinkIHaveAProblem said:

 

Guys?

I’m dumb. 
I don’t understand this statement 

 

can you please explain it like I’m stupid? 

I’m certainly no professional restorer, but, you’ll spend hours trying to separate the hood from the connector in the same way you would a 51 because the collector locks into the hood/shell. Alternatively, if you go from the backside, you can unscrew the metal connector (assuming it hasn’t been overly glued) and then pull the collector out.

 

Hope this makes sense.

[IThinkIHaveAProblem]

... thanks for trying. 

but... doesn't it still work out to; you're unscrewing the hood (with the collector attached to IT instead of to the barrel/connector) from the connector?

 

I'm asking because I bought a flighter 61. no arrow left, and a plastic connector and what appears to be a converter for a filler... but doesn't seem to want to detach?...

anyways, when I unscrewed the hood from the connector (the PLASTIC connector) the threads on the connector disintegrated... meaning I now have a connector, and filling mech that a barrel attaches to... but no way of attaching a nib/hood/collector assembly to it...

oh, AND the threads are different from the other (metal connector/capillary filling) 61s I have... because of course they are... which of course prevented me from simply swapping the barrel and cap onto another 61

 

anyways, I bought another flighter 61, this one missing a cap, and with an engraved barrel, and its a CC filler.. no converted/cartridge attached, and it has its arrow in tact (for now...) and put the nicer barrel  and cap on THAT one... but that still leaves me with a nice fat looking nib from the first pen that I would prefer to put on the new pen... but now I'm gun shy to disassemble it, fearing another disintegrating threads disaster...

the nib on the working pen is... meh. at best.

 

[Carguy]

What you’ll find is that the collector is disintegrating BECAUSE it’s locked in and you’re forcing the hood off. Instead, apply some gentle heat to where the metal connector joins the plastic hood. Hold the hood still and unscrew from the top. The connector will eventually unscrew leaving the collector still in the hood. Once you get it to happen one time, it will make perfect sense.

[IThinkIHaveAProblem]

Oh it’s not the coLLector that disintegrated. It’s the threads of the PLASTIC coNECtor. Yes. Both of my 61 flighters have plastic connectors. I’ll post pics when I get a second. 

[Carguy]

6 hours ago, IThinkIHaveAProblem said:

Oh it’s not the coLLector that disintegrated. It’s the threads of the PLASTIC coNECtor. Yes. Both of my 61 flighters have plastic connectors. I’ll post pics when I get a second. 

That may have something to do with it. All of the non-capillary filling 61 pens had plastic connectors. I have 12 pens and they are all capillary and thus, have the metal connectors.

[IThinkIHaveAProblem]

 

you'll see in the first pic, I've circled the disintegrated threads, they just... ceased existing as I unscrewed the hood 

in the second pic, you can see that now, the entire threaded portion moves up and down since the threads were apparently integral to holding the entire thing together.

the threads to hold the barrel on do NOT fit any other (non flighter) 61 barrel I have, but they DO fit the second flighter barrel I own. 

now the problem I have is that the replacement pen that I used has a silver clutch ring, and a silver arrow in the hood... but my cap is for a gold trimmed 61, not a silver trimmed 61 😕. (because the cap originally came with the disintegrated pen you see in the pics)

so. what I was thinking of doing was using the nib from the disintegrated pen in the newly assembled pen (its much nicer... way nicer) and at the same time I was gonna switch clutch rings over... but I'm so gun shy now that the same thing will happen if I try and disassemble the other pen (which is CC vs... whatever the heck this thing is/was)

 

oh, and my other 61s, my cap fillers? they have metal connectors... what I wouldn't give for the flighters to also be metal connectors... arg.

 

[Carguy]

47 minutes ago, IThinkIHaveAProblem said:

 

you'll see in the first pic, I've circled the disintegrated threads, they just... ceased existing as I unscrewed the hood 

in the second pic, you can see that now, the entire threaded portion moves up and down since the threads were apparently integral to holding the entire thing together.

the threads to hold the barrel on do NOT fit any other (non flighter) 61 barrel I have, but they DO fit the second flighter barrel I own. 

now the problem I have is that the replacement pen that I used has a silver clutch ring, and a silver arrow in the hood... but my cap is for a gold trimmed 61, not a silver trimmed 61 😕. (because the cap originally came with the disintegrated pen you see in the pics)

so. what I was thinking of doing was using the nib from the disintegrated pen in the newly assembled pen (its much nicer... way nicer) and at the same time I was gonna switch clutch rings over... but I'm so gun shy now that the same thing will happen if I try and disassemble the other pen (which is CC vs... whatever the heck this thing is/was)

 

oh, and my other 61s, my cap fillers? they have metal connectors... what I wouldn't give for the flighters to also be metal connectors... arg.

 

Yikes that’s a tough one. Does Dale Beebe have the connector parts available for purchase?

[donnweinberg]

Also, you may want to consult You-Tube for how to disassemble and reassemble the Parker 61 model you are trying to modify.  The bodies are plastic, rather than Lucite (the earlier P51 acrylic), so you have to be more careful with any application of heat.  I seem to recall that rubber cement was recommended for securing the hood after the other modifications are made, to avoid ink leakage.  I like the fact that the Parker 61 nib has a slot that fits into the collector just so.

[IThinkIHaveAProblem]

3 hours ago, Carguy said:

Yikes that’s a tough one. Does Dale Beebe have the connector parts available for purchase?

I don't know who that is...

 

3 hours ago, donnweinberg said:

Also, you may want to consult You-Tube for how to disassemble and reassemble the Parker 61 model you are trying to modify.  The bodies are plastic, rather than Lucite (the earlier P51 acrylic), so you have to be more careful with any application of heat.  I seem to recall that rubber cement was recommended for securing the hood after the other modifications are made, to avoid ink leakage.  I like the fact that the Parker 61 nib has a slot that fits into the collector just so.

yeah, I knew the plastics are bad (I think it's half of my 61s that have the cracked barrel problem due to shrinkage... I'd have to check) but at this point, I'm not gonna be taking the spare pen apart, I simply dont want to risk it.

 

if I can get spare parts (cap, connector, arrow) to fix the first pen up, then I'd consider that route. 

 

 

 

[Carguy]

Dale Beebe = Pen Tooling. Not sure if he has these but I’ve dealt with him for years, email and ask.

[IThinkIHaveAProblem]

6 hours ago, Carguy said:

Dale Beebe = Pen Tooling. Not sure if he has these but I’ve dealt with him for years, email and ask.

Ah thanks 

 

I’m very familiar with his website, I’ve spent many hours drooling over all the stuff of his i’d love to buy

 

 I’ll check it out again. 

[Targa]

You can also try these guys

https://vintagepensacsandparts.com/en-us/collections/parker-51-filler-parts

[baz666]

A nice Parker 61 set I've had for a while, with an uncommon shield imprint.

 

 

[donnweinberg]

Is that a cartridge/converter model?  If so, it looks like one of the “cloud” models, the one that doesn’t have cloud imprints on it.

[baz666]

It is a cartridge/converter pen. I believe it may be a test market version of the Cirrus pattern, which was the first of the "cloud" series.