Help with identifying two Waterman fountain pens.

[Medieval78]

Hello,

 

I'm new in the forum. Guys, I need some help in identifying two Waterman pens. Especially the teal/blue one. I got both as New Old Stock items.

They both look very similar but there are some differences in the nib section and minor ones on the cap and barrel. The black one is Flash model as I can see engraving saying that. Also there is stamp label 'Plume Or M Carenee'. On the teal/blue variant there is no engraving but only a stamp 'M'. I can see the biggest difference is in the nib section. Nibs comes with a different shape, the black one is hooded and they have different feed installed. I presume the black pen comes with solid gold nib but I'm not fully certain about the blue one.

 

Both pens come with a cartridge holders and the same looking ink cartridges. I have attached photos.

 

Could you tell me what model is the teal/blue one? Are they both Flash ones by any chance? What age they are?

 

Thank you.

Edited November 9, 2024 by Medieval78

[Timanu]

Hello, the black one is a flash with a solid gold nib as you have seen on the barrel. The blue one is a flash too. 

 

This pen exist with hooded nib like the black and semi-hooded nib like the blue. These pens were very popular in France at the beggining of the 60' and during all the decade particularly for the students. 

 

The best to have are the hooded nib at this period. to size are two sizes were offered, a small size for girls and a standard size for boys.

[Medieval78]

On 1/25/2025 at 5:20 PM, Timanu said:

Hello, the black one is a flash with a solid gold nib as you have seen on the barrel. The blue one is a flash too. 

 

This pen exist with hooded nib like the black and semi-hooded nib like the blue. These pens were very popular in France at the beggining of the 60' and during all the decade particularly for the students. 

 

The best to have are the hooded nib at this period. to size are two sizes were offered, a small size for girls and a standard size for boys.

Thank you. I believe the blue one comes with steel gold plated nib and was the cheaper version of the Flash model. It comes with no imprints on the barrel in comparison to the black version. Did those semi-hooded variants come with steel nibs only?

[Timanu]

Hi I don't know for the semi hooded, if the nib is only in steel or gold plated. To me at this time waterman's was a premium brand and they don't use gold plated nib. I think the nib is in gold.