WHO STILL MAKES NIBS SMALLER THAN #5?

[CXC]

All the recent excitement for oversized nibs has awakened the contrarian in me, so now I'm looking for SMALL nibs.  Who besides Kaweco makes pens with #4 or smaller nibs?  Real pens, that is, not micro-mini gimmick pens.  Something like a Kaweco, or a Sailor Chalana.

I think maybe you can see what your are drawing better with a smaller nib.

Thanks.

[A Smug Dill]

Pilot, for the Cavalier and Grance models.

[CXC]

33 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

Pilot, for the Cavalier and Grance models.

thanks

[Brandywine]

This week I got a Hongdian M2 (looks like it was "inspired" by a Kaweco Sport),

that one has a screw-in feed that is smaller than 5mm, just like the Kaweco Sport Aluminium.

So obviously such nibs and feeds are being produced in China as well.

But I, too would like to know where to get them.

[A Smug Dill]

Of course, the nibs on the Majohn A1 (and A2, etc,) and Pilot Capless fountain pens are physically small; as are the tubular ones in the (hooded) Jinhao 51A. Not sure if the Moonman (or Majohn) 80 line is still in production.

[arcfide]

How close to a #5 or #4 are Pelikan M400's and Waterman's Exception Slim? These are pretty small nibs compared to your typical Platinum #3776 or PIlot #15. There's also the Lamy nibs, which are universally small and Platinum's Curidas nib. 

 

For ergonomics, I actually find the M400 and Sailor 1911s possibly some of the most ergonomic and well balanced slim pens around, assuming that you post your pens, and they have nice, slim nibs that are relatively attractive. If you like a heavier pen with a slim nib, then the Waterman Exception Slim has a little more heft but a small and slender nib, and a terrific nib grind if you like smooth nibs. 

[tim77]

The inner diameter of WingSung 601 nibs is just 3mm.

[Bo Bo Olson]

I grew up  in B&W TV days, with the 400 being a standard sized pen, like an Esterbrook or Wearever.

Not a thin pen.

 

I find the 400 to have great balance posted and prefer the semi-vintage or vintage nibs on it.

I do like the thicker girth of a 600.

And find a 800 or 146 to be on the fat side.

But when one grows up in the fat pen era, a 400 can be thought thin.

[arcfide]

2 hours ago, Bo Bo Olson said:

But when one grows up in the fat pen era, a 400 can be thought thin.

 

It's always interesting to see how pens have evolved to adapt to the market. It's worth observing how most pens are much narrower than many fountain pen bodies these days, and how much that coincides with the much slimmer pens of yesteryear. The truly slim pens like the Lamy CP1 are quite interesting, but the 400 really is an almost ideal ergonomic size and weight if you consider traditional standards of penmanship, unless you have absolutely massive hands or use a non-traditional/unorthodox technique (most people today do in fact have an unorthodox pen grip). 

 

[Bo Bo Olson]

7 hours ago, arcfide said:

(most people today do in fact have an unorthodox pen grip). 

I have seen pictures of those 'kindergarten' ball point pen grips.

And the teachers ...if they could...never cared.

 

I was told by a teacher in 7thor 8th grade to loosen my Death Grip, but how wasn't told in those 8 seconds, other than she should be able to pull it out of my hand.

 

I maintained a Death Grip that eventually brought my hand writing to printed ...and unreadable at that........but a long time ago a passed member in good standing in the Handwriting Section showed us on the com, the 'forefinger up' an automatic light grip method....and I no longer have a Death Grip.....and one of these day's I'll slow down enough to being able to read my own scribbles.