Sailor 1911L Medium Nib Amazon/Amazon Japan purchase experience.

[mskb]

Hi All, 

 

Purchased a 21K 1911 Large Medium Nib from here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B001G5Z67K?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details

Received a product that was placed on a card board box, the feed and the nib weren't aligned, and it felt scratchy on one side of the nib.  Checking under a loupe, from the left, the nib appears round (Pilot-like), from the right, the nib appears usual Sailor-like. I tried to get a picture of this, but gave up eventually. I have had my share of Sailor skimping on QC when I purchased my 1911Tiny, but skimping on the usual Blue Sailor leather Box too? >>$100 for this? Returning. 

 

Attached pictures. Just sharing the experience so that others have an idea.

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[langere]

That's unusual...I have gotten a number of fountain pens from Amazon and have not had a problem.

 

Perhaps this was a reject and was sold anyway?

 

Erick

[mskb]

@langere, I purchased my 1911Tiny from Amazon Japan a couple of years ago as well. All went well. This may be an isolated experience; but such a huge disappointment.

 

If anyone else has purchased the 1911L from Amazon Japan in the last few months, could you share your experience (packaging/box included) ?

 

[Paul-in-SF]

I don't know if it was this way when you bought the pen, but your link has a headline that the item for sale is a shoulder bag, although everything else appears to be about the pen. Kind of weird. 

[A Smug Dill]

4 hours ago, mskb said:

If anyone else has purchased the 1911L from Amazon Japan in the last few months,

 

”1911 L” — which wouldn't be called that if sold by Amazon Japan anyway — no, I haven't.

 

On the other hand, I ordered by way of Amazon.com.au plenty of Sailor fountain pens sold and shipped by Amazon Japan, from the humble Profit Jr. and Lecoule fitted with steel nibs (of the flimsier type that lack the signature, kinaesthetic “feedback” produced by typical “Sailor nibs”), to the Profit Standard 21 and Professional Gear ‘Kan’ fitted with 21K gold nibs, in 2023.

 

Every single one of them arrived in the full Japanese domestic market retail package, with the manufacturer's retail tag slipped onto the pen's clip; a clear plastic sleeve around the pen heat-sealed on both ends at the factory; every single expected piece of paperwork, as well as ink cartridge(s), inside the presentation box; white cardboard sleeve around the (blue or white, depending on the model, except for the ‘Kan’ which has something much more elaborate) cardboard presentation box; and a cellophane sleeve, on which the adhesive strip near the opening was completely clean and shows no sign of having been opened after being initially applied, sealing the entire package.

[Ztsu]

hey there..
 I recently got 3 Sailors from japan to the USA and then a friend got it down to India.

All three came in a Sailor box with a white cardboard cover and a sealed plastic around all of these with the model number etc..

something like this... i can take pictures later if you want..

https://www.nibs.com/sites/default/files/styles/product_display/public/product_images/pens/pen_display/sailor-1911-mid-size-black-gold-box.jpg?itok=gAFGinQT

All 3 write very well. 

Strange that it says luxury box even with google translate.

[Olya]

The pens I bought via Amazon JP were all fine.

 

Most retailers from Japan seem to have switched to cardboard boxes from Sailor (in white and blue).

The "leather" box is pleather/faux leather anyway, so no real loss.

[Number99]

4 hours ago, A Smug Dill said:

"1911 L” — which wouldn't be called that if sold by Amazon Japan anyway —

Please let me know if you can help.

I can't see the Amazon. com. au product page on my internet connection.

Does the pen that everyone on this forum refers to as the "1911" mean the Profit 21? 

Or do they refer collectively to fountain pens with 1911 engraved on the nib or cap band as a 1911?

 

Edited February 8, 2024 by Number99

[A Smug Dill]

42 minutes ago, Number99 said:

Does the pen that everyone on this forum refers to as the "1911" mean the Profit 21? 

 

For all intents and purposes, where officially distributed through the company's representatives and partners, Sailor calls the Profit line of pen models (collectively) ‘1911’ in overseas markets. In a lot of cases, it's just a straight word-for-word substitution, although there are further peculiarities in certain regional markets; for example, instead of 1911 Jr. (as opposed to Profit Jr. in Japan), US retailers — which I'll assume did not all do so off their own bat — calls the 1911 Jr. models with see-through PMMA resin bodies ‘Compass’ instead (and then there are weird ones such as ‘Professor’, which is just an opaque 1911 Jr., or more precisely, the Profit Jr. Kurogane — where ‘kurogane’ does not translate to ‘professor‘).

 

1911 L is the Profit 21, with L presumably standing for Large.

1911 S is the Profit Standard.

1911 S 21K is the Profit Standard 21.

There is no 1911 Casual or 1911 Light, because it appears that the Profit Casual and Profit Light models aren't officially distributed in those overseas markets.

[Lithium466]

Thank you ASD for these precisions.

[Number99]

15 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

For all intents and purposes, where officially distributed through the company's representatives and partners, Sailor calls the Profit line of pen models (collectively) ‘1911’ in overseas markets. In a lot of cases, it's just a straight word-for-word substitution, although there are further peculiarities in certain regional markets; for example, instead of 1911 Jr. (as opposed to Profit Jr. in Japan), US retailers — which I'll assume did not all do so off their own bat — calls the 1911 Jr. models with see-through PMMA resin bodies ‘Compass’ instead (and then there are weird ones such as ‘Professor’, which is just an opaque 1911 Jr.)

 

1911 L is the Profit 21, with L presumably standing for Large.

1911 S is the Profit Standard.

1911 S 21K is the Profit Standard 21.

There is no 1911 Casual or 1911 Light, because it appears that the Profit Casual and Profit Light models aren't officially distributed in those overseas markets.

Thanks a lot!

This is very valuable information for me.

Until now, the 1911 has been a mystery fountain pen.

 

Then, the price of the OP's pen is close to the average of the actual market price of the Profit 21 in Japan.

The box also looks very similar to the box in the product image from the Sailor store.

 

[mskb]

Thank you all for your help.

 

@Olya, could you expand on the cardboard box part? No Sailor faux leather boxes anymore with the Profit 21/1911L? The item I purchased was shipped and sold by Amazon Japan.

 

@Ztsu, thank you - I tried your link, but I get a "access denied".

 

@A Smug Dill thanks for the correction. I had mistook 1911L = Profit 21 to be common knowledge.

 

 

 

[A Smug Dill]

49 minutes ago, mskb said:

No Sailor faux leather boxes anymore with the Profit 21/1911L?

 

Sailor clearly states, on its current product page (in its Japanese language website) for the Profit 21 (models 11-2021-*), that the presentation box in the retail package is the (box model) PG-12.

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I found this image in an Amazon listing for a Sailor Profit Standard, with MS nib:

clearly showing that Sailor was transitioning its presentation box for the pen model from (box) model R-8 to model PG-12, which I assume is the box you got. (Your images do not appear inline in your post above, at least not in the Safari browser running on my Mac.)

 

Checking with the Wayback Machine, I can see PG-12 was specified no later than October 2020 (for whatever was new stock of the pen model 11-2021 since then).

 

 

[Olya]

17 minutes ago, mskb said:

Thank you all for your help.

 

@Olya, could you expand on the cardboard box part? No Sailor faux leather boxes anymore with the Profit 21/1911L? The item I purchased was shipped and sold by Amazon Japan.

 

@Ztsu, thank you - I tried your link, but I get a "access denied".

 

@A Smug Dill thanks for the correction. I had mistook 1911L = Profit 21 to be common knowledge.

 

 

 

Sure, somewhere on the Sailor site/their catalogue all their regular boxes are listed. Years ago I started getting my pens in blue and somtimes white cardboard boxes. There's even a topic on that started by me somewhere here on fpn, because I thought the pleather boxes were phased out.

 

Long story short: a quick search and I found my topic from 2018! Worth a read

 

 

 

[mskb]

1 hour ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

Sailor clearly states, on its current product page (in its Japanese language website) for the Profit 21 (models 11-2021-*), that the presentation box in the retail package is the (box model) PG-12.

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I found this image in an Amazon listing for a Sailor Profit Standard, with MS nib:

clearly showing that Sailor was transitioning its presentation box for the pen model from (box) model R-8 to model PG-12, which I assume is the box you got. (Your images do not appear inline in your post above, at least not in the Safari browser running on my Mac.)

 

Checking with the Wayback Machine, I can see PG-12 was specified no later than October 2020 (for whatever was new stock of the pen model 11-2021 since then).

 

 

 

Thanks @A Smug Dill. The last image (named "IMG_4383.HEIC") shows the pen in its flimsy cardboard box. The R-8/PG-12 is not what I got.

 

[mskb]

1 hour ago, Olya said:

Sure, somewhere on the Sailor site/their catalogue all their regular boxes are listed. Years ago I started getting my pens in blue and somtimes white cardboard boxes. There's even a topic on that started by me somewhere here on fpn, because I thought the pleather boxes were phased out.

 

Long story short: a quick search and I found my topic from 2018! Worth a read

 

 

 

 

Thanks a lot @Olya!

[A Smug Dill]

9 minutes ago, mskb said:

The last image (named "IMG_4383.HEIC") shows the pen in its flimsy cardboard box.

 

That looks like a PG-03W prescribed for the Shikiori pen models (some of which are priced higher than your Profit21, and some lower).

[mskb]

20 minutes ago, A Smug Dill said:

 

That looks like a PG-03W prescribed for the Shikiori pen models (some of which are priced higher than your Profit21, and some lower).

Thanks for the insight @A Smug Dill!

[Number99]

For some reason there is no picture of the box on the Amazon jp product page.

Sailor Profit 21 Fountain Pen Black Medium Black 11-2021-420 https://amzn.asia/d/0OlKviq

 

P.S.

Dashi, shipped from Amazon, seller is Ru-Sa.

 

I don't know why... After making the correction, I rechecked and found that the seller had changed to Amazon. It seems that the product image is the same even though the seller has changed.

 

One more thing.

PG-03W

https://www.sailor.co.jp/book_2019-2020/html5m.html#page=247

 

Edited February 8, 2024 by Number99

[Ztsu]

These were the three sailors I got from Japan to the US (white boxes,) on the 16th of
Jan. The other 2 grey/silver boxes are pilots.

 

Edited February 9, 2024 by Ztsu
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