Asvine P36 - Is there a 1.1 Stub (Italic) nib available for this great pen?

[DLCJr]

Hello fellow FP lovers.  I am new to today's fountain pens (but I have used Sheaffer's No Nonsense Calligraphy 1.0 Italic nib pens, on and mostly off, for decades!)

 

I just received an Asvine P36 with Fine nib, which I like very much.  

 

I'm wondering if there might be an easy replacement nib for this pen, in 1.1 stub with square edges, for getting a bit of a calligraphic look with the P36?

[OCArt]

I believe it takes a standard number 6 nib, so they are easy to find.

[mixink]

I have an Asvine P36 with Bock nib unit. So you can fit a Bock 1.1 nib. I don’t know if pens with original Asvine nib are compatoble with Bock nib units but I suspect they are as P36 seems to have a different nib unit. 

[A Smug Dill]

1 hour ago, OCArt said:

I believe it takes a standard number 6 nib,

 

Sorry, but I don't believe there is an industry-wide or even less broadly adopted “standard”, including for nibs designed to go around approximately 6mm-diameter feeds, that constitutes a sufficiently comprehensive specification of nib geometry (not just in terms of length and wing span, but also curvature, material thickness, etc.) to assure or promote compatibility and/or interoperability between brand parts.

 

“Number 6” is, as far as I can tell after all these years, “a thing” primarily for nibs of JoWo-manufacture, which is used by many, but nevertheless indisputably a minority in number or by market share, brands in today's fountain pen market; and, because it is in fact a minority, while it may be considered convenient or expedient for subgroups in Western markets to use it as a shorthand for communicating with each other who aren't as keen about precise terminology and in-depth study, “number 6” does not even constitute a de facto standard either globally or just between manufacturers.

 

Bock, another major German nib manufacturer, does not officially refer to any of its nibs as “number 6”; and its type 250 nibs, designed to go around 6mm-diameter feeds, do not have identical geometry as JoWo's “number 6” nibs. Pelikan, a German pen manufacturer that makes its nibs in-house, does not use the terminology of either “number 6” or “type 250”, or claim alignment with either or both of those (at the end of the day, proprietary) specifications.

 

None of the nib manufacturers of Japanese and Chinese fountain pen brands of note in today's market use that terminology or “standard”, to the best of my knowledge.

 

As far as I'm aware, the Asvine P36 uses nibs made by Bock designed to go around 6mm-diameter feeds, so getting a Bock type 250 1.1mm Stub/Italic nib is the best bet for replacing the nib on the Asvine P36.

[Prof Drew]

Since Bock nibs work, and Nemosine nibs use the Bock mount (more or less, but are not made by them), I suggest you pick up some from Birmingham pen co. I love their .6 nib, but they also have .8 and I think 1.1 stubs. Enjoy!

 

https://www.birminghampens.com/collections/nibs

[DLCJr]

The P36 can be had with Asvine nib or Bock nib, but would the FEEDS be the same, for both brands of nib?

[DLCJr]

Ah... great success!  I ordered a Goulet/Jowo #6 nib from Gouletpens, popped it on the Asvine P36 feed, in the pen it went and now my P36 is writing with a wonderful 1.1 mm stub!

 

Lamy Dark Lilac ink is in the pen at present. Beautiful color.

 

The swap was quick, easy, with a great result! And now, I will be using this pen quite frequently.

 

Thank you all.

[Mr. Blackthorne]

On 3/21/2024 at 2:45 PM, DLCJr said:

Ah... great success!  I ordered a Goulet/Jowo #6 nib from Gouletpens, popped it on the Asvine P36 feed, in the pen it went and now my P36 is writing with a wonderful 1.1 mm stub!

 

Lamy Dark Lilac ink is in the pen at present. Beautiful color.

 

The swap was quick, easy, with a great result! And now, I will be using this pen quite frequently.

 

Thank you all.

Awesome! Do you have the version of the P36 that came with the Asvine nib/housing/feed or the Bock nib/housing/feed? I want to try this exact swap(except the 1.5mm version of the JOWO).

[Karmachanic]

Bock nibs fit JoWo feeds, but Jowo nibs do not fit Bock feeds.  Asvine feed, dunno

[DLCJr]

16 hours ago, Mr. Blackthorne said:

Awesome! Do you have the version of the P36 that came with the Asvine nib/housing/feed or the Bock nib/housing/feed? I want to try this exact swap(except the 1.5mm version of the JOWO).

My P36 came with the Asvine nib/feed, not the Bock. I have several Goulet/Jowo 1.1 nibs as replacement nibs in Jinhao, Asvine, and Pilot pens and they're all excellent. No regrets!

[Mr. Blackthorne]

5 hours ago, DLCJr said:

My P36 came with the Asvine nib/feed, not the Bock. I have several Goulet/Jowo 1.1 nibs as replacement nibs in Jinhao, Asvine, and Pilot pens and they're all excellent. No regrets!

Thanks! I have the P36 nib with the Asvine nib on the way.

 

I have my JOWO 1.5 stubs on some Jinhao 159s right now and they have always worked great and the feed keeps up. I am going to pull one from one of those.

 

The X750 feed didn't keep up with the JOWO 1.5 stub even though it fits. The line width required too much word juice and it wasn't laying down the right line. (Putting that there for google searchers).

 

If the Asvine feed keeps up with the 1.5 stub, that will be awesome. The 1.5 seems more demanding on the feed. If it doesn't keep up I will just use it for monoline.

 

Thanks for the replies!

[Doubleyoukay]

I bought 2 Asvine fountain pens recently, 1 x V200 (Vacfiller) and 1 x P36 (Pistonfiller), both with Asvine Steelnibs in F. Both Asvine fountain pens took complete Bock 250 triples (housing, feed and nib) without any issues - I just screwed the Asvine triple out and the Bock triple in. Remember to hold the pen "nib up" when you do that with an inked pen! 😜

 

I tried the Asvine triples in several fountain pens, that were equipped with Bock 250 triples before (e.g. Namisu Nova/Horizon/Orion, Karas Kustoms INK, Kaweco Supra) and they fitted quite fine. 🤩

In some "Bock 250 compatible" pens the Asvine triple did not screw into the grip section completely, about 1mm of the housing was "peeking out" at the front. But that didn't hamper their functionality at all, they wrote just fine. I can only speak for my fountain pens in this case, so don't take it for granted in any case, there might be some slight tolerances in measurement. But I would say, you have a pretty good chance, that it will work for your pen, too. I hope that Asvine will keep up this compatibility, it makes their brand much more valuable to me.

Nevertheless the 2 Asvine F-nibs wrote really well out-of-the-box, no tuning (Micromesh) was neccessary.

I order my single nibs/triples/feeds from fpnibs.com in Spain, they ship to the US, too. But as always shipping from the EU to the US is not cheap at all.🙁
I can recommend their custom nib grind services, too. They do some excellent work. Their ink flow hacks as well as their "Superflow ebonite feeders" work pretty well, too.👍

 

Best regards from Germany!

Wilhelm

P.S: Please excuse my clumsy English, I'm not a native speaker.

[SpencerianDream]

On 4/9/2024 at 8:01 PM, DLCJr said:

My P36 came with the Asvine nib/feed, not the Bock. I have several Goulet/Jowo 1.1 nibs as replacement nibs in Jinhao, Asvine, and Pilot pens and they're all excellent. No regrets!

Can you elaborate on the Pilot? This is the first I’ve read of someone successfully using a third party nib in a Pilot pen body.