Ideal and Dauntless Question

[afishhunter]

Is the 1940's "DAUNTLESS" an "IDEAL" pen model, OR is what I thought" is a "Dauntless" is actually an "Ideal"?

Clip, trim and lever are chrome(?), not gold plated/filled. 

The nib is not marked 14K gold.

 

Nib has

"WATERMAN'S"

"IDEAL"

"REG. US"

"PAT OFF."

"2"

"MADE IN"

...

 

The lower half of "Made In" is covered by the section. Whatever is below "Made In" is completely covered by the secion. 

I am not going to take the feed and/or nib out of the section to see where it was made.

The pen writes just dandy, so no real reason to take it apart, and chance making it a non-writer.

Besides. I don't have the tools to punch the feed and nib out, anyway.

 

Barrel has "Wterman's Ideal" and "Made In USA'

[shalitha33]

As far as i know "Ideal" is just a part of the waterman brand and not a model name. basically every waterman around and prior to this date from the very early pens are marked  "waterman's 'Ideal' Fountain pen". Kind of like "Onoto the pen".

Some of the very early imprints on barrels and nibs





 

Later pens still with Ideal naming on nibs and on the barrel in the middle of the globe logo. Still earlier than the Dauntless





Waterman 515, W2 etc probably closer to the era you are dealing with.



Single cap band chrome trim pen with "United States of America" imprint line. With a number 2 nib. Don't know what to call this. 



Refer to the following page for more info
 

• Info on Stalwart and Dauntless http://dirck.delint.ca/beta/?page_id=5182
• PCA waterman catalogs https://pencollectorsofamerica.org/reference-library/waterman/  Refer to the 1947 Canada one at the bottom part of the page (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pxxEwGWegPFlc0VZA63FlNReQasZYAGm/view) page 9

If your pen happened to have a number printed under the barrel imprint then you can match it up with the catalog to find exactly what it is. Catalog will have the model number and possible colors next to each of the pens. i.e 515B would be a blue commando pen in the catalog (model 515 may show up on the barrel imprint). Not sure if Dauntless has it though. Please correct me if this is wrong. I am no waterman expert and therefore can be very very wrong.