Sailor Yamadori replacement

[ssataline]

Hi. I'm nurturing what may be the last gulp of a 20 ml bottle of Sailor Yamadori (purchased in Hong Kong for about $10 US). I refuse to spend $18 for it now and am trying to find a replacement. Pen sellers have suggested Robert Oster Deep Sea and Fire and Ice. I have been writing with Pilot Ku-jaku, but it doesn't have the depth. Is there an Oster match? What else would you sugggest? 

 

(Sorry about the photo. No direct light in my NYC flat.)

[TitoThePencilPimp]

I would just order the sailor from amazon. I believe it's like $11.

[A Smug Dill]

2 hours ago, ssataline said:

You wouldn't sell a bottle of Yamadori, would you now? My God, it's like gold!

 

2 hours ago, ssataline said:

Hi. I'm nurturing what may be the last gulp of a 20 ml bottle of Sailor Yamadori (purchased in Hong Kong for about $10 US). I refuse to spend $18 for it now …‹snip›

 

So you're already well aware that Sailor Jentle Shikisai Yamadori and Shikiori Yamadori are the same ink, of which you and other fans even have the option of buying in factory-filled Sailor ink cartridges these days. It's interesting how you value what you characterise as “(like) gold”, then.

 

Anyway, Sailor Kujukuri Coast Hakkakuao is very close to Yamadori; and, last I found (online) anyone anywhere outside Japan with 50ml bottles of the Kujukuri Coast range of inks to sell, it was a shop in Hong Kong that did not entertain shipping orders overseas. It's been at least eighteen, if not twenty-four, months since I looked, though; so please don't ask me who or which marketplace, because while it may have taken me an hour or so back then to find it, I don't recall in spite of the (not really that much, in the grand scheme of things) effort spent. Since you indicate you're in HK at least some of the time, maybe you'll get lucky.

[Karmachanic]

When I asked years ago:

 

Emerald of Chivor

Diamine Eau de Nil

De Atramentis Pigeon Blue

 

[LizEF]

6 hours ago, Karmachanic said:

When I asked years ago:

 

Emerald of Chivor

Diamine Eau de Nil

De Atramentis Pigeon Blue

Oh, right, I forgot about these.  I had a hard time distinquishing between Yamadori, Eau de Nil, and Pigeon Blue - very subtle differences.  But for folks in the US, @TitoThePencilPimp is right - $11.94 on Amazon.  Or wait for EndlessPens.com to have a sale and be the first to order...

[dragondazd]

 

No idea about Birmingham shipping.

 

I think fire&ice and emerald of chivor are too green and not dark enough and have other stuff going on.

 

Personally I would buy more yamadori. 

[mulrich]

From personal experience, you’ll either spend the money for Yama dori or spend several times more money trying to find a replacement. Save money and just buy the Yama dori. 

[ssataline]

Thanks all! Indeed, Mulrich is likely right. From what I can see online (20 year old Apple display), I think the Sailor Kujukuri Coast Hakkakuao is more blue than the Yamadori I have. I will search on, but am enjoying these posts. Thank you!

[alexandrul]

You can also check InkSwatch: https://inkswatch.com/ink.html?inkId=533

[ssataline]

Thank you! I do think that some (not all) bottles of Robert Oster Tranquility are close. This is fun, but the ink selection are pretty limited. https://inkswatch.com/ink.html?inkId=336

 

https://inkswatch.com/ink.html?inkId=533

[fireant]

On 4/15/2023 at 10:47 PM, Mulrich said:

From personal experience, you’ll either spend the money for Yama dori or spend several times more money trying to find a replacement. Save money and just buy the Yama dori. 

 

I agree on this point. If it's something super rare like PPS, Lamy Dark Lilac, or MB Racing Green, you can be fairly certain that someone, somewhere has played with inks to make a doppleganger. But you're still spending a lot of money in pursuit of the no longer available.

Since you can still buy this ink, I'd recommend you bite the bullet and at least buy one more bottle while researching somethiing else.

 

[midnightblues]

On 4/14/2023 at 11:15 PM, ssataline said:

Hi. I'm nurturing what may be the last gulp of a 20 ml bottle of Sailor Yamadori (purchased in Hong Kong for about $10 US). I refuse to spend $18 for it now and am trying to find a replacement. Pen sellers have suggested Robert Oster Deep Sea and Fire and Ice. I have been writing with Pilot Ku-jaku, but it doesn't have the depth. Is there an Oster match? What else would you sugggest? 

 

(Sorry about the photo. No direct light in my NYC flat.)

 

 

Diamine Schubert, De Atramentis Plum or (hahahaha) Lamy Petrol are the closest three in my swatch collection. However none of them seem to have the reddish sheen you sometimes get with Yamadori.  

[Karmachanic]

All this talk made me hungry.  Just cracked open a 50ml bottle

[TitoThePencilPimp]

7 hours ago, Karmachanic said:

All this talk made me hungry.  Just cracked open a 50ml bottle

Lucky you!. The only 50ml Sailor bottles I have left are 2 Choshu, and 1.5 Sky High.

[Olya]

I've seen swatches, which suggest that Yama Dori has undergone a bit of a change when the bottles changed, it's supposedly now more blue leaning than before (50 ml bottle of yore).

 

Anyone know anything about this?

[fireant]

51 minutes ago, Olya said:

I've seen swatches, which suggest that Yama Dori has undergone a bit of a change when the bottles changed, it's supposedly now more blue leaning than before (50 ml bottle of yore).

 

Anyone know anything about this?

 

I just have the old bottles-but I'd love to see writing samples of both side by side.

 

[Olya]

1 hour ago, fireant said:

 

I just have the old bottles-but I'd love to see writing samples of both side by side.

 

I've been trying to find the post where I saw it and no luck.

 

I came across swatch pics of the new cartridges and the ink looks the same as it always used to, but that one post the swatch truly was bluer than old YD... Since it was only that one post I came across (and I've tried to keep my eyes peeled on any further posts/news), maybe it was a mistake... 😕

[Karmachanic]

8 hours ago, Olya said:

that one post the swatch truly was bluer than old YD

 

Given the colour calibration variances of cameras and computers, personally I'd not give much weight to a single data point.

[Olya]

12 hours ago, Karmachanic said:

 

Given the colour calibration variances of cameras and computers, personally I'd not give much weight to a single data point.

Too true, though 'twas an oddity 🙈

[A Smug Dill]

On 5/12/2023 at 7:05 AM, fireant said:

I'd love to see writing samples of both side by side.

 

Just to be clear, this is intended to be neither a criticism nor a rebuke!

 

I have both (yet unopened) 50ml bottles and a (partly used) 20ml bottle of Yamadori, but outside of sheer curiosity regarding (one of those, which has already been discontinued and cannot be restocked buying new from retailers), I don't see a good reason to have two open bottles of nominally the same ink just to check the differences, if I'm not already at the cusp of finishing the opened bottle… but I've only ever used up one retail bottle of ink (Parker Penman Sapphire) in the last quarter of a century through actual writing and drawing, in spite of having bought more than 650.

 

(Says the guy who has two opened bottles of Pelikan 4001 Blue/Black, one from at least fifteen years ago; and the two present very differently on the page. Is that due to a change in formulation in the intervening years, or just ageing of the old ink? I don't know.)

 

Ink samples supplied, either commercially or by exchange among hobbyists, would generally be either opaque or unreliable as to from which product (i.e. SKU) and which production batch/date each came. For all we know — as unlikely as we'd probably prefer to believe — any tweaking in the formulation may have occurred between one production batch and the next one, instead of when the retail product branding/format changed.