Paper ID Help

[Poetman]

Can anyone please help identify this paper manufacturer? I would like to purchase matching envelopes for it, but I don’t have a corresponding box. Does anyone recognize this emblem?

[Mark from Yorkshire]

It looks like it may be from here ? https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwigofb8kqf-AhUXg1wKHfRKA-UQFnoECA0QAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.neenahpaper.com%2Fbrands%2Fclassic-laid-papers&usg=AOvVaw2UusY5YTHSlRIcbIRF_j44
 

I hope this helps 

 

best regards

 

mark

[mail_snail]

Agreed - the logo is Kimberly-Clark which appears to own Neenah. You can find a similar logo (but not the "Classic Laid" words) here: https://watermarks.info/bus.php?tx=&a=s&t=a&s=7&db=i&i=on&o=n&c=&pw=on&v=0&n=20&sk=0&l=i#:~:text=103 • [198]-,Neenah Bond,-104 • [228] Neenah


You can also see an identical example of "Classic Laid" (but no logo or brand indication) on the same page.

[Mark from Yorkshire]

Thankyou, has anyone else used this paper?is it fountain pen friendly?

[Poetman]

It is FP friendly paper, and thank you for the helpful replies and links. How did you all locate those links? This is perfect. Now to getting envelopes. 

[Mark from Yorkshire]

This where Google is your friend for once I think I googled water mark then what was on the paper

[Poetman]

On 4/14/2023 at 5:28 PM, Mark from Yorkshire said:

This where Google is your friend for once I think I googled water mark then what was on the paper

Well, I tried Google. What did you type in. “Watermark” then a description of the logo?

[Mark from Yorkshire]

Tried classic laid watermark

[pitonyak]

I tested a few samples of their cotton paper and posted the results here: 

 

 

Not likely you are near Columbus Ohio USA, but, if so, I have samples. Most of my samples are large, as in not the standard letter size. 

[Mark from Yorkshire]

2 minutes ago, pitonyak said:

I tested a few samples of their cotton paper and posted the results here: 

 

 

Not likely you are near Columbus Ohio USA, but, if so, I have samples. Most of my samples are large, as in not the standard letter size. 

Define large A3, A3+ or larger ie A2 and up 

[Mark from Yorkshire]

@pitonyak I’m not all that au fait with us paper sizes or even the old imperial paper sizes that were used in uk. I have to go with metric ISO standard sizes ie A4 A5 etc

[pitonyak]

The box is about 13" x 20" so probably roughly A3 in size. They are located in the US, so probably not strictly A3. I assume at least as close to A3 as A4 is to Letter size. 

 

They sell samples and different samples come in different sizes and there are generally 5 sheets per sample. This is not the size I would have purchased for my own use unless I wanted to cut them down and bind them myself I think, but they worked just fine for testing. 

[pitonyak]

For fountain pens, my preference was Classic Crest

 

https://www.neenahpaper.com/brands/classic-crest-papers

 

They sell swatch books for about $10, something they did not do when I last looked (a few years back). 

 

https://www.neenahpaper.com/shop/promotions/classic-papers-swatchbook-1003288

 

I do not know if they still allow you to purchase samples of specific paper, I assume that they do but I did not see it with a quick look. 

[Mark from Yorkshire]

3 hours ago, pitonyak said:

The box is about 13" x 20" so probably roughly A3 in size. They are located in the US, so probably not strictly A3. I assume at least as close to A3 as A4 is to Letter size. 

 

They sell samples and different samples come in different sizes and there are generally 5 sheets per sample. This is not the size I would have purchased for my own use unless I wanted to cut them down and bind them myself I think, but they worked just fine for testing. 

Thanks @pitonyak it is A3+ 13”x 19” also known as super A3 so really large

[XYZZY]

IMO "B+" would be a more appropriate name.  I understand that both dimensions are larger than A3, so "A3+" isn't a horrible name.  But the origin of 13x19 is that it's an extra inch on each side of ANSI "B" sized paper (11x17) so that you can do full size 11x17 prints and trim it down (or bind and trim down) to a standard size.  13x19 is not something you'll commonly find in a US office supply store, but if you're ordering paper from a paper supplier it _is_ a very common size.  You'll notice that on the Neenah website above that 13x19 is more common than 11x17.

 

ETA: For whatever it's worth, ANSI paper sizes are "A", "B", "C", etc, where "A" is 8.5x11, B is 11x17, continuously doubling the short side just as you would do with ISO paper sizes.  The difference being the progression is to double the paper instead of halve the paper.  And of course they're weird imperial units and non-constant aspect ratio.

 

I remember being able to buy "E" sized paper back in the 80s, but I think that has been completely replaced by wide format printers where you buy paper in continuous rolls.  It's still pretty common, though, for the printer panel on the computer to have "ANSI E" (etc) as a predefined size.

[Mark from Yorkshire]

18 hours ago, XYZZY said:

IMO "B+" would be a more appropriate name.  I understand that both dimensions are larger than A3, so "A3+" isn't a horrible name.  But the origin of 13x19 is that it's an extra inch on each side of ANSI "B" sized paper (11x17) so that you can do full size 11x17 prints and trim it down (or bind and trim down) to a standard size.  13x19 is not something you'll commonly find in a US office supply store, but if you're ordering paper from a paper supplier it _is_ a very common size.  You'll notice that on the Neenah website above that 13x19 is more common than 11x17.

 

ETA: For whatever it's worth, ANSI paper sizes are "A", "B", "C", etc, where "A" is 8.5x11, B is 11x17, continuously doubling the short side just as you would do with ISO paper sizes.  The difference being the progression is to double the paper instead of halve the paper.  And of course they're weird imperial units and non-constant aspect ratio.

 

I remember being able to buy "E" sized paper back in the 80s, but I think that has been completely replaced by wide format printers where you buy paper in continuous rolls.  It's still pretty common, though, for the printer panel on the computer to have "ANSI E" (etc) as a predefined size.

@XYZZY thanks for the useful info, super A3 and A3+ is a quick I think of uk desktop printer sizes as well as iso standards. When I want a 16x12 photo print or 17x13 depending on frame and mount size I have to use A3 plus paper. 
 

also this site is useful in explaining paper sizes https://www.papersizes.org/a-paper-sizes.htm 

 

best regards

 

mark

[mail_snail]

On 4/14/2023 at 11:08 AM, Poetman said:

It is FP friendly paper, and thank you for the helpful replies and links. How did you all locate those links? This is perfect. Now to getting envelopes. 

Apologies it took me so long (4 months +) to reply. I am glad to hear that the paper is fountain pen friendly. I am not surprised as Neenah card stock is still considered FP friendly despite not being specifically made for fountain pens. Also, Kimberly Clark paper lab wipes are pretty much standard for lint and residue free applications. In other words, they know their paper! 

I don't recall precisely what I Googled as I had to follow a few links. However I did start with "Kimberly Clark Classic Laid paper watermark" and went from there, adding the word "Neenah" when I learned it was owned. That search led me to the watermark database but not to the picture. I did a "Find in page" and searched for "Neenah", but ended up just looking through the list visually (IIRC) adn comparing them. It was fascinating and easy to get lost in that for a while, hehe. 

[kazoolaw]

I'm sure you know that "laid" finish paper referred to the ridges on the sheets created in the manufacturing process by the drying screens.  There have been comments in the past the paper is too rough for EF or calligraphy nibs.  More modern laid finishes I've had are smoother than older sheets.  I've never used EF nibs so not an issue for my scrawl.