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16 hours ago, Penguincollector said:

@InesF uses this paper and it looks amazing in her photos. A few of us tried to find a way to buy it online (we’re in the US and Canada mostly) with no luck. I would love to find some way of buying (or trading) for a pad.

Indeed, it seems to be hard to get outside Europe. The irony is in the fact that you can't buy it in dedicated office stores but in the food supermarket. There it is among the cheapest and, for pen and ink, among the best you can get.

 

2 hours ago, txomsy said:

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/4054153964593/dp/B00MA95R9S

This one is the loose sheet 80 gsm paper which is OK-ish, but not great any more. Somewhen during 2023 the composition was changed. If you are lucky and can get one of the old batches, it will be excellent paper. The new is below average.

 

Something similar happened with the formerly excellent Staufen Post, which is now in the range of toilet paper. 👎

 

Another one is the also discontinued Neusiedler Japan Post 80 gsm, which was available until about 2-3 years ago, but is discontinued as well. 😪 If you find some NOS, buy immediately.

 

This one is the good Kyome (the link points to the blanc, it is also available lined or with square grid). :) 

 

The Brunnen letter pad is another very good paper.

 

If you can live with heavy paper in the range of 90 to 100 gsm, the already mentioned Gohrsmühle paper in loose leafs (Amazon) or Fritz Schimpf letter pad are a strong recommendation. The 80 gsm Rhodia paper is a good choice, but is in its quality a tiny bit below Gohrmühle and Fritz Schimpf.

 

Surprise of 2024 is the Faber Colori pad 70 gsm, which is darn cheap and has surprisingly good compatibility with pen and ink. It makes a bit thinner ink lines (ink repellent?) but is a shading master, similar to the 70 gsm Kyome!

 

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3 hours ago, InesF said:

Brunnen letter pad?????? What Brunnen makes good paper...out side M&K?

Sigh cubed.

AH HA!!!!!!

M&K is worth the mailing to the States...German post is still 1/3 cheaper than US..

 

There is three versions, all very good. The 95g once typewriter paper...now named Office paper is great ...one...sided...paper in it's typewriter paper. I haven't laid hand on the other two versions lately...but I seldom go on line.

I do have 2 1/2 M&K 95g typewriter/Office.

It's not a pad, but loose 100 sheets in a fold over pad like cover.

It's the paper I reach for just after testing an ink on CT or Oxford Optic...always with in reach.

 

When I got bit by that rabid paper beast, I went down town Heidelberg to every place that sold paper...having looked it up.

:crybaby:

The best Rossler was a joy to write on the feather champ...in all levels.

And Brunner is poor...even it's index cards which just ended up in my Ball Point Barbarian wife's fold out office cubical.

Brunner papers of all sorts...even Deckel papers where one would expect more were nothing but ball point and printer papers.................OUT SIDE OF M&K.

 

M&K had been an extraordinary good paper companies in the '50's that was eventually bought up by Brunner and ...Not Ruined:yikes:.

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9 hours ago, txomsy said:

Added: just had a look. It seems to be available on several Amazon stores, among them US, e.g.

Yup, that's the one! That red Kyome logo is on every product that uses that paper. It is quite amazing with fountain pens.

9 hours ago, txomsy said:

https://www.amazon.com/-/es/4054153964593/dp/B00MA95R9S

 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.amazon.de/-/en/741163/dp/B00UL2LS7G&ved=2ahUKEwis5I_xzteFAxWoTaQEHfQOAJoQFnoECBoQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1imz3ZXOWYoQtF1jobEZKJ

 

Don't know if that's the same though...

 

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6 hours ago, Stoic said:

Kyome

Is in my Amazon basket.. Waiting for the Eagle to fly.

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On 4/23/2024 at 4:46 AM, InesF said:

Another one is the also discontinued Neusiedler Japan Post 80 gsm, which was available until about 2-3 years ago, but is discontinued as well. 😪 If you find some NOS, buy immediately.

This one seems to be available...

https://www.papierservice.com/p/japan-post-80g-a4-mit-wasserzeichen

My dad always used this paper. 👍

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4 hours ago, RedPie said:

Neusiedler

Wasn't mentioned in this other Japan Post paper.

 

And I'm sure I balked at the price of postage of Neusiedler Japan Post paper....being old fashioned about postage...from the old days of dragging home the mammoth.

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4 hours ago, InesF said:

No, no, no. It is not. It can't be ordered. 😭

That is too bad! I wonder why....

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So much for Plan D.

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      Banker's bonuses caused all the inch problems, Metric cures.

Once a bartender, always a bartender.

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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It is affordable for 3 reams of paper.......

Will have to ask the oracle; ink or paper.....and the more I think about it, this might well be the much better deal.

 

...I didn't need those two inks anyway.....the start of my next world record dither campaign.

 

The Reality Show is a riveting result of 23% being illiterate, and 60% reading at a 6th grade or lower level.

      Banker's bonuses caused all the inch problems, Metric cures.

Once a bartender, always a bartender.

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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Money came whistling around the corner with both hands in his pocket...so I mugged him.

Both papers ordered and my 4 Octopus inks.

21 hours ago, Bo Bo Olson said:

Neusiedler Japan Post paper

 

On 4/24/2024 at 12:12 AM, Bo Bo Olson said:

Kyome

Got the inks too, well one amazon didn't have so took another one.

The Reality Show is a riveting result of 23% being illiterate, and 60% reading at a 6th grade or lower level.

      Banker's bonuses caused all the inch problems, Metric cures.

Once a bartender, always a bartender.

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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22 hours ago, RedPie said:

I wish there was a plan D. 😊

Maybe one should consider plan : D :D 

If you are to be ephemeral, leave a good scent.

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On 4/22/2024 at 6:08 AM, Stoic said:

It is marked Kyome. 70gsm in lined, blank, checked, ruled or dot. Most are about 50 pages, white, and coated with no ghosting, feathering or bleed through. It is actually better than Clairefontane and each book or pad costs under €3.

 €1.50 not counting postage by Amazon..

No Woolly Line.

 

I just ran 19 pens with assorted inks...which I don't know in most cases, nor am I going to look them up.Inks I'd expected to shade didn't, some did.

It did show glitter well.  I had three pens loaded with glitter inks...and no longer realized it. Those were Diamine glitter inks chosen for shading...and didn't. (also on Optic no shading on this test, it had shown shading  the first time...could be the ink evaporated a bit  hanging around a long time in my two filled pen cups.))

One can notice a bit of glitter, but tilted this paper give the Grand Glitter Show.

 

 

For 70g it does very well...but the paper seems a bit grabby with some inks..

 

I am very glad I did a comparison with 90g Optic (and therefor it's equal, Clairefontaine Velot) One pen, my silver M P-75 was better on Optic, and too wet to shade on  Koyome.

The rest of the inks were remarkably close. :yikes:It is equal to Optic.

 

(:angry: Now I have got to go through my index card box and find out which were the non-shading inks!!!_

 

 

For the price of €1,50 it is a great deal. 70 pages vs Optic's 120, at over €4.00-4.50 I think,. Sometimes I don't worry about price when I really need something.

 

 

The Reality Show is a riveting result of 23% being illiterate, and 60% reading at a 6th grade or lower level.

      Banker's bonuses caused all the inch problems, Metric cures.

Once a bartender, always a bartender.

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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On 4/24/2024 at 6:08 PM, RedPie said:

https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/neusiedler-japan-post-druckpapier-x3/2725339471-225-6818

 

Try this one... seems to be from this year.

Thank you, @RedPie! :thumbup: 

I was busy for some days, when I checked yesterday, it was already gone. :( 

The hope is still alive. For the moment, I'm quite happy with Kyome 70gsm and with Faber Colori 70gsm, both pretty good (and available in walking distance). 👍

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I'm pretty sure that

7 hours ago, InesF said:

https://www.kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/neusiedler-japan-post-druckpapier-x3/2725339471-225-6818

Is gone, in I finally after three days of trying to get through did, and ordered it.

I doubt if it's a shop...but if it shows up again...try and go for it, in postage from Germany to the US is 1/3 cheaper than the other way.

The Reality Show is a riveting result of 23% being illiterate, and 60% reading at a 6th grade or lower level.

      Banker's bonuses caused all the inch problems, Metric cures.

Once a bartender, always a bartender.

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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7 hours ago, InesF said:

Kyome 70gsm

Is very good paper for 70g...so the coating is '70's standard....back when the Golden Age of Papers was still alive....it died in the '80's and no one noticed.

I have still some '70-80's papers that are very good.

I think it's worth the mailing...check amazon.

The Reality Show is a riveting result of 23% being illiterate, and 60% reading at a 6th grade or lower level.

      Banker's bonuses caused all the inch problems, Metric cures.

Once a bartender, always a bartender.

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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I stood there dithering, because it said Brunnen.

Outside of M&K papers made by Burnnen, I had none that didn't end up in the printer, even the 100-120g stuff.

When bitten by the rabid paper bug, I ran around town and bought up all  the papers I could find, (only found Brunnen) some ten to fourteen, 50 or 100 sheet packages of it. ...  What a disaster those papers proved to be. :crybaby:

 

So today.

Next to this Brunnen 120g, there was Clairefontaine DCP...having tried what I think of as heavy paper, more than 120g, it could have been 160g...that got to be #2 in a hell of a hurry, after Claralfa for standing in line for my printer. Yes, very good papers can and will end up in my printer, in I want to have fun editing, when inks that shade. But DCP and Clairalfa were supposedly good papers; such a disappointment, I had to either throw it away or use it fast. 

So I saw and ignored DCP today, not even looking to see if it was real heavy paper or just 120g.

 

There was a 120 Brunnen Multi-purpose paper, that at €2.11 for 35 sheets. I gave it a try.

At €30 a ream:yikes:, it has to walk on water before it freezes. Nope, it's not worth a ream of it. 

..............

I ran 13 inks across it. Smooth. Some inks shaded, other shaded little to none.

After four or so hours when I could get back to it, a number of inks I'd written ... shades  ... became shades a little bit. Where I wrote some shading, and me looking hard for it, and not finding hardly any of it.

From 120g I expect more shading; not sometimes enough, sometimes look for it. 

Another disappointing Brunnen paper. 

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Once again, R&K Alt Goldgreen shades well MB 234 1/2 KOB. Pure Pens, Glens of Antrim, an ink Mercian recommended to me. Shades well on this paper, in B nib 915 Hunter, Toledo. 

..................................

Having had nothing but disappointment with 90g copy paper in the last few years. Up to a few years ago, over here in Germany, common 90g copy paper shaded. ..... I said to hell with it and bought some cheap 80g copy paper where I will never expect joy when editing. Both of the last two reams of 90g copy paper had been a real disappointment.

I still have a ream of Neusidler Japan Post and at 80g has enough sizing to be good. That's my hope in the mountains paper.

 

 

Got to look up what a ream of Clairefontaine Triomphe 90g costs.... It don't seem to come in reams, or half reams. Just blocks.

Anyone tried Clairefontaine Trophee` 160g Paper?

The Reality Show is a riveting result of 23% being illiterate, and 60% reading at a 6th grade or lower level.

      Banker's bonuses caused all the inch problems, Metric cures.

Once a bartender, always a bartender.

The cheapest lessons are from those who learned expensive lessons. Ignorance is best for learning expensive lessons.

 

 

 

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