Please ID this Platinum lady's pen set

[PithyProlix]

Not in my possession (but could be).

 

EDIT: Looks like there might be a 4th pen (or something else) that's missing? Looks like an empty space on the right side of the plastic clip that attaches the pens to the box?

 

[mallymal1]

6 hours ago, PithyProlix said:

Not in my possession (but could be).

 

EDIT: Looks like there might be a 4th pen (or something else) that's missing? Looks like an empty space on the right side of the plastic clip that attaches the pens to the box?

 

It does look like there's an empty space. What could that be for? Fountain, biro, pencil...fibre tip?

 

Nice looking set. What sort of date would you think?

[PithyProlix]

13 hours ago, mallymal1 said:

It does look like there's an empty space. What could that be for? Fountain, biro, pencil...fibre tip?

 

Upon further inspection I wonder if the pens are not placed in the box clip correctly. Based on similar sets I have I don't think the pens should be so close together in the photo above. So maybe the set is complete (?). If not, then, since there's already a fountain pen, pencil, and ballpoint, perhaps a rollerball? I really have no idea.

 

13 hours ago, mallymal1 said:

Nice looking set. What sort of date would you think?

 

It's really hard for me to say. I'm really unfamiliar with Platinum's products, vintage or otherwise, outside of their fountain pens, so the pencil and ballpoint give me no clues. I am not an authority, for sure, but I believe this fountain pen's basic design shape, with essentially the same nib and section design, as well as other elements, including the clip and finials, started in the late 1960s and continued into the 1980s, at least. At the moment I don't recall seeing another Platinum with a relief finish, as this one has. At least it looks to me to be in relief (is there a name for this type of finish?). To me, the flowers on the case say '1970s'.

 

I've Googled my fingers off for this one and have come up empty.

 

Some more photos. The box-top has a wool-tweed look and the whole package is very attractive, I think. I don't know what the "10" on the nib is about - I don't recall seeing that on any other Platinums.

 

 

 

 

I have three examples of this same design with a different finish. The silver-colored pen and the orange, cashew-lacquer (sort of a 'poor man's' urushi) pen appear in scans of a 1970s Platinum catalog that's available somewhere online. I believe the models labelled 'Bonito' went into the 1980s.

 

 

[Number99]

Probably "Platinum 唐草（ka-ra-ku-sa）".

 Japanese sellers say it's in the 70's and 80's.

 I have seen the black version.

 

https://kaijapan.thebase.in/items/19819975

 

 

 

[PithyProlix]

19 minutes ago, Number99 said:

Probably "Platinum 唐草（ka-ra-ku-sa）".

 Japanese sellers say it's in the 70's and 80's.

 I have seen the black version.

 

https://kaijapan.thebase.in/items/19819975

 

 

Thanks - that might be it. If not, it is similar. The English translation of 唐草 is 'arabesque' which is a term I have seen before to describe these styles of ornate patterns on pens.

 

When I search on "Platinum 唐草" or "Platinum arabesque pen" (both without quotes) I don't see any in this frosted champagne color with the same nib. Nor do I see one with a white section.

 

Do you know the Japanese for a set of three pens such as this - something like a gift set?

[Number99]

41 minutes ago, PithyProlix said:

 

Thanks - that might be it. If not, it is similar. The English translation of 唐草 is 'arabesque' which is a term I have seen before to describe these styles of ornate patterns on pens.

 

When I search on "Platinum 唐草" or "Platinum arabesque pen" (both without quotes) I don't see any in this frosted champagne color with the same nib. Nor do I see one with a white section.

 

Do you know the Japanese for a set of three pens such as this - something like a gift set?

It is a model that pays attention every time it appears. I think there are many silver versions and this version.

 The price tag sticker at that time was printed with 6,500円, so you can see that it was more expensive than the Parker 50 Falcon.

 

 I didn't notice the ballpoint pens and pencils because most of them are sold by fountain pens alone.

 Every fountain pen usually has a pair of ballpoint pens and pencils, so I think it's okay to have one.

 

 I have seen a fountain pen alone with a transparent lid in a plastic case.

 I think it's difficult to make a clear decision as to whether the box or pencil case is original.

 Are there any letters or logos associated with Platinum?

 

Edited July 22, 2022 by Number99

[PithyProlix]

4 minutes ago, Number99 said:

Are there any letters or logos associated with Platinum?

 

It's a good question. I asked the (Thai) owner if there was any text or marking on the box and she did not reply. My Thai language skill is pretty rudimentary and her English not good so there may be some misunderstanding involved.

[Number99]

11 minutes ago, PithyProlix said:

 

It's a good question. I asked the (Thai) owner if there was any text or marking on the box and she did not reply. My Thai language skill is pretty rudimentary and her English not good so there may be some misunderstanding involved.

If I were to design that pencil case, I would press the Platinum logo and the same arabesque pattern as the pen.

[awa54]

On 7/21/2022 at 10:54 AM, PithyProlix said:

Not in my possession (but could be).

 

EDIT: Looks like there might be a 4th pen (or something else) that's missing? Looks like an empty space on the right side of the plastic clip that attaches the pens to the box?

 

 

Kogai?

[PithyProlix]

4 hours ago, awa54 said:

 

Kogai?

 

If so, a kogai in a matching finish would have been really cool. Have you seen pen sets with a kogai? 

[awa54]

31 minutes ago, PithyProlix said:

 

If so, a kogai in a matching finish would have been really cool. Have you seen pen sets with a kogai? 

 

 

sadly, no

I was just being a smartass 😁

[mke]

On 7/22/2022 at 8:07 PM, PithyProlix said:

fountain pen, pencil, and ballpoint, perhaps a rollerball?

Rollerball in Japan? No, I don't think so. I have never seen a 4-pen set. Assume it is complete.