Difference between Sailor Profit Standard and Sailor 1911 Standard

[Paul_LZ]

Can someone please explain to me the difference between The Sailor Profit Standard and the Sailor 1911 Standard models?

[A Smug Dill]

None. Distribution and marketing for Sailor in the West refers to the Profit product line as 1911.

[Paul_LZ]

Thank you! 

[JulieParadise]

Yep, as @A Smug Dill said, it's the same thing, just a different naming, pretty much like the Pilot MR being marketed as Metropolitan in certain regions. 

 

Do pay attention, though, to the fact that the torpedo-shaped 1911s/Profit Standard is the same size (plus the round endings, of course) and has interchangeable parts with the Pro Gear Slim. I find it pretty confusing that the "standard" size in one shape (torpedo) gets the "slim" denomination in the other (flat-end) line.

[A Smug Dill]

On 7/14/2022 at 5:51 PM, JulieParadise said:

pretty much like the Pilot MR being marketed as Metropolitan in certain regions. 

 

Hmmm, not so, I'm afraid. It's named Pilot Cocoon in Japan, but Pilot MR everywhere else. The Pilot MR Metropolitan collection is one of the ranges of the MR model, even in the US market. Maybe, many years ago, it was originally released as Pilot Metropolitan; but it's long overdue that retailers and shoppers in that market got with the programme and observed the current official designation of the model straight from Pilot Corporation of America. (In some other Western markets, the Pilot MR Metropolitan collection is just the Pilot MR, while the Pilot MR Animal collection is Pilot MR2, and the Pilot MR Retro Pop collection is Pilot MR3, if I recall correctly.)

 

Edit:

Pilot Pen US has the MR Metropolitan collection, MR Animal collection, and MR Retro Pop collection, all of which include MR model fountain pens. Pilot Pen EU only lists the MR Animal and MR Retro Pop collections, with nothing that matches the MR Metropolitan collection. Pilot Pen AU lists the MR1 Metropolitan, MR2 Animal, and MR3 Retro collections, but the MR1 Metropolitan in colours other than black seem to have not-entirely-plain centre bands.

 

Edited July 15, 2022 by A Smug Dill

[JulieParadise]

@A Smug Dill Yeah, thanks for clarifying. But the main takeaway still is that it's all pretty much the same pen (in colour variations).

[Paul_LZ]

2 hours ago, JulieParadise said:

Yep, as @A Smug Dill said, it's the same thing, just a different naming, pretty much like the Pilot MR being marketed as Metropolitan in certain regions. 

 

Do pay attention, though, to the fact that the torpedo-shaped 1911s/Profit Standard is the same size (plus the round endings, of course) and has interchangeable parts with the Pro Gear Slim. I find it pretty confusing that the "standard" size in one shape (torpedo) gets the "slim" denomination in the other (flat-end) line.

You mean it has the same size as the Pro Gear Slim? And is the Slim smaller than the Standard? Any place to actually see and compare all Sailer pen sizes? 

Thank you

[JulieParadise]

27 minutes ago, Paul_LZ said:

You mean it has the same size as the Pro Gear Slim? And is the Slim smaller than the Standard? Any place to actually see and compare all Sailer pen sizes? 

Thank you

 

The 1911s/Profit Standard and the Sailor Pro Gear Slim are of the same size (except for the round/elongated finials). You can swap any part of both models between the two, cap, barrel, grip section, nibs and feeds. The only difference is the shape of the finials, flat vs. rounded, so, only because of that is the flat Pro Gear Slim a few millimetres shorter than the torpedo shaped 1911s/Profit Standard.

 

I'll show a photo in some minutes.

[JulieParadise]

[JulieParadise]

Sorry for the bad quality, but my phone is acting up and I took this with an old Kindle Tablet.

 

So, what you see is:

1) cap of Pro Gear Slim

2) Body (shortened to match the size of a Pro Gear Slim Mini) of a Pro Gear Slim (finial not original) + cap of the 1911s/Profit Standard Ivory on its right.

3) Body + grip section + nib of a 1911s/Profit Standard

4) body of a Pro Gear Slim Mini Beni White + grip section of a 1911s/Profit Standard demo + cap of a 1911s/Profit Standard demo

5) body of a 1911s/Profit Standard demo + grip section of the Pro Gear Slim Mini Beni White + nib of the 1911s/Profit Standard demo + cap of the 1911s/Profit Standard demo

6) body of a Sailor Fude De Mannen with the grip section of the (minified) Pro Gear Slim whose cap is separate on the very left

7) body of a 1911s/Profit Standard demo + cap of the Pro Gear Slim Mini Beni White

+ separate cap of the Fude de Mannen

 

The only thing you cannot swap is the nib + feed of the Fude DM into a 1911s or Pro Gear Slim grip section, as this flat steel nib has a different shape.

 

All caps and grip sections and barrels screw together perfectly and hold tight. 

 

The 1911s/Profit Standard is only longer because of the shape of its finials. Up to the trim rings near the ends of the pen these two models are identical, so you can mix and match to your heart's content.

 

PS: I don't have a Pro Gear Slim at hand, so I cannot show you how the Pro Gear Slim and the 1911s/Profit Standard match up until the trim rings near the finials/ends of the pen (cap and barrel).

[JulieParadise]

Oh, I found an old pic showing the

-- white + red glitter Pro Gear Slim before it was minified, also showing another

-- Pro Gear Slim white lamé (gold trim) next to

-- the slightly bigger Pro Gear White (slver trim)

-- and the ivory 1911s/Profit Standard. Unfortunately the pens on this pic are not lined up at the trim rings but at their end. But still ... maybe this helps:

 

The bigger Pro Gear is thicker and has a bigger nib. 

[Paul_LZ]

37 minutes ago, JulieParadise said:

Oh, I found an old pic showing the

-- white + red glitter Pro Gear Slim before it was minified, also showing another

-- Pro Gear Slim white lamé (gold trim) next to

-- the slightly bigger Pro Gear White (slver trim)

-- and the ivory 1911s/Profit Standard. Unfortunately the pens on this pic are not lined up at the trim rings but at their end. But still ... maybe this helps:

 

The bigger Pro Gear is thicker and has a bigger nib. 

Excellent! Thank you for your time and help, I really appreciate it. Will order a black Sailor Profit with an F nib now! 🙂

 

[JulieParadise]

Aaaand ... I found the picture I was looking for (you need to scroll down a bit to get to the pic with different models in black, all perfectly aligned): https://iwonder-thecartographer.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-sailor-pro-gear-with-naginata-togi.html

[Paul_LZ]

4 hours ago, JulieParadise said:

Aaaand ... I found the picture I was looking for (you need to scroll down a bit to get to the pic with different models in black, all perfectly aligned): https://iwonder-thecartographer.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-sailor-pro-gear-with-naginata-togi.html

Wonderful! Cheers!

[Twister292]

As far as I know, the Profit and 1911 are just different names for the same pens for Japan and the global market. 1911S = Profit standard, 1911L = Profit Large. For the Japanese market even the KoP 1911 is referred to as the King Profit.

[Paul_LZ]

3 hours ago, Twister292 said:

As far as I know, the Profit and 1911 are just different names for the same pens for Japan and the global market. 1911S = Profit standard, 1911L = Profit Large. For the Japanese market even the KoP 1911 is referred to as the King Profit.

Thank you @Twister292 for clarifying this matter further