Is This Pelikan Ibis?

[eerestis]

Received this pen recently, and I'm unsure what to make of it. I'm not familiar with the Ibis pens, but I guess this is such a pen. I think this is a frankenpelikan. The cap does not post over the piston (the cap is too small), and it has two rings unlike in the pictures I found on the web. What is mysterious is that the cap does not fit Pelikan 100N which has larger diameter. Moreover the top of the cap is more square in shape than the caps seen on Ibis pens. The cap says "Pelikan Gunther-Wagner". If the cap is not original, from which pen it is taken from? Certainly not 100N and the 400 series.

 

The pen is somewhat short (barrel without nib is 9.8 cm), so it would be nice to post the pen. Otherwise it's an awesome writer. The nib is so flexy that you get automatic line variation: the slit widens under very slight pressure. The feed says "M", but the line is finer than that in my opinion. It flexes easily from 0.4 mm to 1.0 mm or so. As you can see, the pen is in mint condition. It's almost like it came from a factory yesterday. Very pleasant and got a good deal for the pen.

 

[Croma]

Hello:

It is a Pelikan 100N with a botton from Pelikan Ibis or Pelikan 140 or another and a IBIS nib.

Regards.

Edited August 20, 2020 by Croma

[Azuniga]

I agree with Croma, cap is Pelikan 100N I do not see anything from Ibis at all, not even the nib, you can check here…

https://www.pelikan-collectibles.com/en/Pelikan/index.html

https://www.pelikan-collectibles.com/de/.content/fotos/ibis-100-120-400-p1.jpg

[eerestis]

I don't think so. The cap of my 100N doesn't fit this barrel (the cap is too wide), so I would say the barrel is not from a 100N. The piston is reverse threaded, so the barrel is not from 400 series or 140 series.

[mana]

Pelikan 100 cap and barrel with the filling mechanism partly from an IBIS 130... as in, the filling knob etc. of that 100 could have been switched to one from IBIS 130 or later Pelikan (120, 140 or 400NN).

[carola]

Pelikan 100 cap and barrel with the filling mechanism partly from an IBIS 130... as in, the filling knob etc. of that 100 could have been switched to one from IBIS 130 or later Pelikan (120, 140 or 400NN).

+1

 

The nib is clearly marked "Pelikan". An Ibis nib would be marked "IBIS".

Seems to be an almost complete Pelikan 100, minus the filling knob. I don´t know if the wrong filling knob would fit the correct filling mechanism or not. So either someone had a cracked filling knob or a damaged filling mechanism and took whatever he could find and make fit for repairing it.

Edited August 20, 2020 by carola

[eerestis]

Thanks mana! Indeed the length, diameter etc. of 100 match this one when you take into account that the piston knob on this one is slightly longer. This is interesting as I never knew that 100 is smaller than 100N and that some 100's were made of plastic, not of hard rubber. I think indeed that this is a complete Pelikan 100 sans the piston mechanism and knob. The knob is definitely from an Ibis since it's larger in diameter than the knobs on my 140's and 400 NN's and no other Pelikan seem to be the explanation.

 

If anyone has a Pelikan 100 at hand, could you please measure the width of the black part between the binde and the actual piston knob? This would help me figure out if the cap posts with the correct 100 piston mechanism installed. With the Ibis parts, this black part has diameter slightly less than 12 mm.

 

By the way, I recall reading that Ibis pens often have Pelikan nibs. Such nibs apparently were offered as an upgrade when purchasing an Ibis pen.

 

So what we learned, I guess, is that you can fix your Pelikan 100 piston mechanism from parts from Ibis. The pen won't post, but at least it draws ink.

[mana]

I measured the 100 and IBIS 130 piston mechanism housings that I have and the measurements came out pretty close to each other, 100 outer diameter is 11.9 mm and for IBIS 130 it was 11.2 mm.

 

Parts are pretty much fully interchangeable, as in, I swapped the pistons and filling knobs between the units etc. and they worked. All of the threadings and other measurement for the piston shaft, spindle and housing seemed to be the same also (aside from the difference in outer diameter of the piston housing and manufacturing quality/technique of some of the components).

Anyhow, if you are looking for an entire piston mechanism for a 100 (albeit one with a busted cork piston seal) I have one that I can let go.

[Barutti]

Mana is absolutely correct. It's Pelikan 100 and let me guess- produced after 1940. Imprint "..Gunther Wagner" and light green ink window is common for this period. And your pen seems in perfect condition.

If I am correct, Pelikan 100 from this year could be equiped with smooth piston knob from celluloid and resin seal.

Please, improve me if I mistaken.

 

eerestis, I have couple of such mechanics too and can share with you. Free of charge. PM me. in case you will need to fix that.

[eerestis]

Thanks everyone for figuring out what this pen is. I'm unsure if a late production Pelikan 100 can have a smooth piston knob, but judging from the fact that the pen doesn't post, I would say that the knob is not original. Measurements based on some online pictures indicate that the mechanism is exactly that of a Pelikan Ibis, so I conclude that this is a Pelikan 100 with a Ibis piston mechanism. Mana's post confirms that such installation is possible. The pen is indeed made of celluloid and has a resin seal as Barutti figured out.

 

Thanks again for the knowleadgeable people here. Your help has been invaluable many times.

[Christopher Godfrey]

eerestis, even if you do go ahead and fit a correct filling mechanism, do not expect the cap to post more than halfway down that ring to which you refer (that forms the for the filling knob) These pens give the impression of not "posting" very far, if you understand me? (I have just tried it, for I never do post the caps on of my pens).

 

Does this help you at all?

[Christopher Godfrey]

BTW: I am surprised at this comment: <... style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">I recall reading that Ibis pens often have Pelikan nibs. Such nibs apparently were offered as an upgrade when purchasing an Ibis pen>

 

Surprised because the (proper) Ibis 14kt nib in my pen is wonderful -- it flexes like mad and is at least the equal of (or perhaps better than?) vintage Pelikan nib I have (among 16 with vintage nibs)! It is a rather early Ibis, at that (1937, I think)

Edited August 28, 2020 by Christopher Godfrey

[eerestis]

Thanks for your comment Christopher. I understand what you mean that it posts only halfway and I expect that after the posted pen will look very long like a posted 100N. I'll see after the proper piston arrives.

 

I've also heard good of the Ibis nibs. Luckily my 100 has an amazing flexy nib, one of my best in this respect.