Efnir: Herbin Bleu Des Profondeurs

[LizEF]

35 minutes ago, yazeh said:

Thanks for the update, Liz. I assume no  )👻 either  

 

Is that asking if there's ghosting?  (tiny little emoji is hard for me to figure out)  Anywho, no more than with any non-fountain pen.  I can tell there's writing on the other side of the page, but that's the paper's fault.  I'd see the same from a ballpoint, rollerball, gel pen, etc.

[yazeh]

Yes ghosting. Sorry. 

Most inks I use often penetrate cheap paper. However, if I write with a light touch, I won't have a problem

[LizEF]

6 minutes ago, yazeh said:

Yes ghosting. Sorry. 

Most inks I use often penetrate cheap paper. However, if I write with a light touch, I won't have a problem

Yeah, this showed no signs of trying to penetrate the paper I was using.  Given the age of the paper, it's entirely possible it's better than modern copy paper (seems like paper is getting worse, not improving).  There were slight hints of it trying to get through the puzzle paper (the "absorbent" paper mentioned in later reviews), but it didn't make it through, and this paper is basically thick newsprint.

 

And, as you say, a light touch really helps in this regard.

[yazeh]

 

[LizEF]

Here's the line width measurement. The line is one of those used for dry time.  Magnification is 100x.  The grid is 100x100µm.  The scale is 330µm, with eleven divisions of 30µm each.  The line width for this ink is roughly 300µm.

 

[aurore]

If you had to choose between BdP and R&K Verdigris in terms of flow and lubrication and overall pleasure to use, which one would it be? Thank you.

[Claes]

Hi @aurore,

Interesting question. I am certain that @LizEF soon will chime in.

I have not played with BdP in a long time, but R&K Verdigris works

beautifully in a Pilot Capless with <F> nib -- on all sorts of sheets

(from cheap office copier paper to Iroful).

 

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

 

 

 

[LizEF]

4 hours ago, aurore said:

If you had to choose between BdP and R&K Verdigris in terms of flow and lubrication and overall pleasure to use, which one would it be? Thank you.

Oh dear.  What a terrible question!  That's like asking me to choose between cookies and cream vs chocolate peanut butter ice cream!  Why choose when you can have both!?

 

BdP is my standard recommendation for someone wanting exceptional lubrication.  Good flow, good dry time.  Line's a little wide (but that comes with flow and lubrication, and it's only a little above average).  It's a dark blue, not blue-black.  It offers shading and might sheen on the right paper with a wet nib.  My memory says this is an absolute joy to write with.  Finally, it's worth noting that this is my 9th ink review and I may simply have been wow'ed by how much better it was than the predecessors.

 

R&K Verdigris was a pleasure for a different reason...  It has a slight lean toward teal that makes the color more interesting (to me).  Flow is just as good, line is considerably wider (might be a positive or negative, depending on the pen).  Shading is about the same (apparently I didn't see any sheen).  But what stood out was that it made my nib feel almost like it had a Sailor finish to it - a slight velvety texture.  Only one other ink has done this: Sailor Black (standard).  I can't guess at how it does it, but it was a real pleasure.  Per my notes, I didn't notice this all the time - it seemed to vary between this velvety feeling and "well above average".

 

So, I'd have to say BdP has better lubrication, but Verdigris has more interesting lubrication.  Of course, I can't guarantee that the velvety feel will happen for anyone else, nor any of my other observations, but this is what my notes and memory are telling me.

 

Hope that helps!

 

@Claes, I has chimed!   Thank you for adding your Verdigris experience.

[aurore]

29 minutes ago, LizEF said:

Oh dear.  What a terrible question!  That's like asking me to choose between cookies and cream vs chocolate peanut butter ice cream!  Why choose when you can have both!?

 

BdP is my standard recommendation for someone wanting exceptional lubrication.  Good flow, good dry time.  Line's a little wide (but that comes with flow and lubrication, and it's only a little above average).  It's a dark blue, not blue-black.  It offers shading and might sheen on the right paper with a wet nib.  My memory says this is an absolute joy to write with.  Finally, it's worth noting that this is my 9th ink review and I may simply have been wow'ed by how much better it was than the predecessors.

 

R&K Verdigris was a pleasure for a different reason...  It has a slight lean toward teal that makes the color more interesting (to me).  Flow is just as good, line is considerably wider (might be a positive or negative, depending on the pen).  Shading is about the same (apparently I didn't see any sheen).  But what stood out was that it made my nib feel almost like it had a Sailor finish to it - a slight velvety texture.  Only one other ink has done this: Sailor Black (standard).  I can't guess at how it does it, but it was a real pleasure.  Per my notes, I didn't notice this all the time - it seemed to vary between this velvety feeling and "well above average".

 

So, I'd have to say BdP has better lubrication, but Verdigris has more interesting lubrication.  Of course, I can't guarantee that the velvety feel will happen for anyone else, nor any of my other observations, but this is what my notes and memory are telling me.

 

Hope that helps!

 

@Claes, I has chimed!   Thank you for adding your Verdigris experience.

 

I wish there was an ink 1/10 as fabulous as you are, but this is of course impossible in this world. 

Thank you so much! ❤️

[LizEF]

2 hours ago, aurore said:

I wish there was an ink 1/10 as fabulous as you are, but this is of course impossible in this world. 

Aaawww.  Thank you!

 

2 hours ago, aurore said:

Thank you so much! ❤️

You're most welcome!

[Claes]

I just filled a Lamy Vista <F> with Herbin's Bleu des Profondeurs and made some quick tests on a smaller range of sheets.

 

First impression: BdP behaves nicely all over the range of papers.

Generally a bit wetter than R&K Verdigris, but note: A Lamy <F> is wider than a Pilot Capless <F> (which is filled with R&K Verdigris).

 

On Iroful: Slower to dry. Sheen.

On cheap office copier paper: Slight feathering.

 

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

 

[LizEF]

4 hours ago, Claes said:

I just filled a Lamy Vista <F> with Herbin's Bleu des Profondeurs and made some quick tests on a smaller range of sheets.

 

First impression: BdP behaves nicely all over the range of papers.

Generally a bit wetter than R&K Verdigris, but note: A Lamy <F> is wider than a Pilot Capless <F> (which is filled with R&K Verdigris).

 

On Iroful: Slower to dry. Sheen.

On cheap office copier paper: Slight feathering.

 

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

 

Thanks, @Claes!

[Claes]

Day 2.

Since it is quite silly to compare ink behaviour from different pens, I repeated yesterday's scribblings using a glass nib.

 

Today's paper = Klippan Smoothed Post 80gsm.

Inks = R&K/Verdigris, Herbin/Bleu des Profondeurs, and Diamine/Purple Rain.

 

Verdict: All three had a nice glide, and about the same amount of bleed-through. No feathering. BdP needed somewhat more time to dry, though.

 

I'd say that all of these paper-ink combinations work quite well -- but they are very dependent on how much ink the pen lays down. In my case, a Pilot Capless <F> was the best pick (at least for the Verdigris...).

 

Have fun!
Claes in Lund, Sweden

 

[LizEF]

2 hours ago, Claes said:

Day 2.

Since it is quite silly to compare ink behaviour from different pens, I repeated yesterday's scribblings using a glass nib.

 

Today's paper = Klippan Smoothed Post 80gsm.

Inks = R&K/Verdigris, Herbin/Bleu des Profondeurs, and Diamine/Purple Rain.

 

Verdict: All three had a nice glide, and about the same amount of bleed-through. No feathering. BdP needed somewhat more time to dry, though.

 

I'd say that all of these paper-ink combinations work quite well -- but they are very dependent on how much ink the pen lays down. In my case, a Pilot Capless <F> was the best pick (at least for the Verdigris...).

Thanks, @Claes!