Way To Hold Guide Sheet In Place In A Journal?

[TestTube]

Maybe it really is just a good ole paper clip... =P

 

Have any other ideas / things you do?

[Karmachanic]

I use the delightful little smiley face clips Cult Pens sends with their orders

[mhguda]

I fold over either the bottom (if there is a website logo printed on for example) or the top. A really sharp crease.

[TestTube]

http://www.nanamipaper.com/products/super-clip-20-pcs.html

 

These look to be exactly what I'm looking for but Nanami is out of them always...any idea what they are called and/or where I might find them?

[LizEF]

http://www.nanamipaper.com/products/super-clip-20-pcs.html

 

These look to be exactly what I'm looking for but Nanami is out of them always...any idea what they are called and/or where I might find them?

Not exactly the same, but perhaps large Page Points (by Levenger) or Book Darts? A search on Amazon yields book darts and similar items.

[LizEF]

Or maybe this sort of thing: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00XBM7U7U/

[Karmachanic]

These:

https://www.cultpens.com/i/q/OH59029/ohto-smile-slide-clip-mini-assorted-pack-of-20

 

Slightly larger version at Jetpens

https://www.jetpens.com/Ohto-Smile-Slide-Clipper-Paper-Clip-Small-Vivid-Color-Set-Pack-of-10/pd/9654

 

Yes they're kinda goofy, but they are small and do the job. And they smile at you.

Edited March 6, 2020 by Karmachanic

[katerchen]

 

https://www.cultpens.com/i/q/OH59029/ohto-smile-slide-clip-mini-assorted-pack-of-20

 

 

Yikes. They are featuring Diamine inks on the landing page for #4.92 a bottle (excl. VAT).

 

I did not need to know that ... not with the shelf space I have remaining.

[neverforget]

Have a look at https://www.bookdarts.com/

 

They are the thinnest "clips" i've found, I've also tried the clips nanami paper has which are good for multiple sheets. Bookdarts are great because they are very thin and work well with thin paper (many people use them to mark a place in their bible).

[BDarchitect]

I just use a small binder clip (3/4" wide) at the top of the page, clipped to as much paper as can fit in it plus the cover, if possible, to keep the guide sheet in place behind the page I am writing on. I use this with my Endless Recorder blank notebook with my own custom guide sheet and it works very well, whether on a right side fully blank sheet or the back of the left sheet, with writing already on the other side. Cheap, easy, effective. What's not to like?

[inkstainedruth]

I'm not entirely sure what the end result of what the OP is asking for. Is it to hold the guide sheet in place while writing? Or just to keep it from getting lost?

Because if the former, most of the solutions -- other than folding a crease in the top or side of the guide sheet -- seem to me that the result would be to make too much of a ripple in the paper being written on (especially for very thin paper such as Tomoe River). Even the page darts (I have a set somewhere that was my gift as a teacher for an SCA event a number of years ago), although they're certainly thinner than a paper clip. And even the crease in the guide sheet would have some sort of bump unless you had made it small enough to not go past the page margin(s).

But no -- I don't have a better solution....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[abstract49]

http://www.nanamipaper.com/products/super-clip-20-pcs.html

 

These look to be exactly what I'm looking for but Nanami is out of them always...any idea what they are called and/or where I might find them?

 

They are called Japanese paper clips on the Nanami site. I have a fair supply of them, and I guard them closely, e.g., don't send one in the tube to the teller at the bank drive thru. I really like that they are flat and don't crimp the paper like the Levenger page points do (those have their uses, too, and I keep a supply). However, they do get in the way and have to be moved around frequently due to their size.

[Runnin_Ute]

In a notebook, I just put a piece of blotting paper slightly smaller than the page in the notebook, a page or two back, tight against the binding.

[countrydirt]

I just slip the guide sheet behind and write. The guide sheet doesn't move. The weight of my hand holds it in place.

[Paul-in-SF]

I'm not entirely sure what the end result of what the OP is asking for. Is it to hold the guide sheet in place while writing? Or just to keep it from getting lost?

Because if the former, most of the solutions -- other than folding a crease in the top or side of the guide sheet -- seem to me that the result would be to make too much of a ripple in the paper being written on (especially for very thin paper such as Tomoe River). Even the page darts (I have a set somewhere that was my gift as a teacher for an SCA event a number of years ago), although they're certainly thinner than a paper clip. And even the crease in the guide sheet would have some sort of bump unless you had made it small enough to not go past the page margin(s).

But no -- I don't have a better solution....

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

 

I am currently using an A4 notebook for my journal, homemade with the help of a knowledgeable friend from A3 Tomoe River 52 gsm paper, and I haven't had any problem with creasing or any marks at all showing. I use one of those Cult Pens smiley clips (I wondered where I'd gotten it from!) at the top on the right-hand page, and an additional flat plastic paper clip on the bottom of the left-hand page -- due to the construction of the notebook or something the guide sheet is harder to get and keep in place on the left side. Maybe it's because the right side with pristine pages underneath is still completely flat, while the written-on pages on the left side are now slightly irregular. Or some other reason.

 

I need something to hold the guide sheet, otherwise it wants to move around. I used 80-pound paper to print it on my printer, which helped compared to lighter paper, but it still wants to curl a little in the corners and push the sheet I'm writing on away from the sheet beneath which causes little extra marks from my pen. Hard to describe if you haven't experienced it. Anyway, this method works for me, but it is still a frustration.

 

For that reason I am eschewing blank paper for my journals from now on and will be using ruled paper exclusively from now on. I currently have a pretty good advance supply of A4 fuled notebooks from Leuchterm and Minimalist Art. I'm not very demanding of my paper, I don't sluice huge amounts of ink on the page, so I don't necessarily need the mostest bestest paper for a journal, as long as it doesn't feather or bleed regular writing. Having said that, the Tomoe River paper has been a joy to write on.

[mhguda]

How about gluing two post-it notes to the underside of your guide sheet - or even one big one. I found, with my guide sheet glued to a post-it, and that pressed to the page underneath, the guide sheet does not move around while I write, and it does not affect the page when its turn comes to be written on.

And for the left page, the lines written on the reverse side serve as enough of a guide to help keep lines there straight as well...

[BrassRatt]

There's a type of rubber cement made to stay tacky -- Best Test One Coat is one brand. For guide sheet use, I'd suggest thinning the cement so that you get no lumps at all -- use the cement maker's thinner, or straight hexane. (Health and fire cautions apply.) Let it dry thoroughly before first use. If the guide sheet is xerographically printed, brush very gently and try not to cross the lines.

 

You'll only need to coat a modest central area of the guide sheet to prevent slipping.

 

Since the cement is clear and thin, you can use both sides of the guide sheet; stick it to the back of your working page or to the next page.

Edited March 24, 2020 by BrassRatt

[wallylynn]

There exists removable / repositionable stick glue. Make your own post it notes.

[DrDebG]

My normal journal is the Seven Seas Standard from Nanami Paper. I use a guide page behind my writing page using the Japanese page clips that I purchased from Nanami. They work great.

 

Prior to acquiring those, however, I used small binder clips. But you must clip enough pages together to not create a "pocket" underneath the pages.

 

But truthfully, I probably don't need anything to secure the page. the guide page is cut to the same dimensions as my journal page but with a 1/16th of an inch cut from the side of the guide page that goes against the spine of the journal. When I put it in carefully, it doesn't move.

[TMLee]

Of late , been writing more entries in my TR journal, A6 size.

This COVID-19 stay home season is somewhat starting to have its effect on me.

cabin fever ?

 

 

 

 

I too encountered the problem of the guide sheet moving around. I notice the guide sheet moves out of position after writing for a while, for about half a page? It starts to tilt away from the spine. I think its gotta do with the slippery TR paper, coupled with writing pressure , and the hand resting on the writing page too.

 

I too was looking for a solution.

I felt clips and stuff were not suitable for the crazy thin 52g TOMOE RIVER paper.

 

So I remembered I had those glue dots tape ... (like some have suggested here)

This is like decades old , and yet it works really perfect as if brand new. :thumbup:

HERMA is a really good German brand.

 

 

This is the guide sheet I am using.

Cut a piece of A6 gridded paper . ( I am using 5mm grid)

(I went thru with a dark black fine gel ink , used SARASA black , one side horizontal lines, the other side the vertical lines. ( to write parallel to the spine ) to make them more visible under a page)

 

 

 

So I applied only 1cm length of glue dots here ...

I applied only on the outer edge , its easier to peel off later.

no need to apply long lengths, cos you're gonna have a hairy time peeling off , causing all kinds of creases...

 

It was enough, becos the other edge is pushed against the spine, so it can't rotate.

 

 

What it looks like ...

The guide sheet is 'pasted' on the page that is to be written on...

 

 

The written page opposite...

Happier to achieve even-sized handwriting ...

neater written pages overall...

 

 

So the journal contains :

- blotter sheet (shown here in white, cut to size)

- black sheet underlay (cuts out all shadow)

- guide sheet (hidden from view)

 

 

 

The advantage of this method is that you avoid creasing your TR pages which are so darn easy to crinkle....

 

When you are done, you peel off the guide sheet carefully, and if there's any residue on the writing page, just rub off with your finger.

 

You will reach a stage when your guide sheet has lost all its dots, so just re-apply.

 

If HERMA is hard to find, look for a quality alternative like KOKUYO Dotliner

(YouTube review here https://youtu.be/MGLePJ1_JIQ?t=126 )

 

(its worthwhile investing in quality bcos you dont want to end up with permanent glue dots !!! Especially with delicate TR paper !)

 

Edited April 28, 2020 by TMLee