New M1005 Stresemann Is A Cheaply Made Pen

[sirgilbert357]

"I agree this is a lubrication issue. Every Pelikan I've ever owned has gotten a tiny bit of silicone grease for the piston upon arrival and it has helped them all. They are super smooth and turn with very little resistance, whether they were an M200 variant or one of my M800's. It's the same story with my Lamy 2000's - if they got a little stubborn, a little silicone grease on the tip of a toothpick to lube the piston and it's fixed."

 

 

Have a multitude of vintage/modern Pelikan fountain pens and it isn't needed to use diving grease routinely upon arrival of said pens....

 

Only {diving grease} required on a as need basis..or during the restoration process....And only a miniscule amount is necessary.....

 

YMMV..

 

Redactin'.....I'm no expert.......'tis of course my personal opinion..and yours and others may differ.......

 

Fred

 

No, I didn't say they *needed* it. Most of the pistons turned fine. But the resistance can always be reduced by an initial greasing, so I do it. I prefer for there to be as little stress as possible on the plastic rod that advances the piston, that's all. Just as some people flush their pens prior to inking for the first time, whether it is actually *necessary* or not, I tend to grease my Pelikan's pistons upon arrival as a "best practice".

 

It's also worth noting that many times the nib is torqued down unnecessarily tight, which places extra stress on the section/barrel ultrasonic weld and also makes the nib harder to remove once ink has been through the pen. The more the nib is tightened down, the more it forces the section and barrel away from each other, because the way the nib seals the ink in the pen is by pressing against the end of the barrel, not from the nib's screw threads themselves. I've had a conversation or two about the problem with Ron Zorn and I'd just rather my pen not do this:

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/303077-shocked-my-pelikan-m805-broke-in-half-today/

 

He said he makes this repair about 3 or 4 times a month to Pelikans. Don't over tighten your Pelikan nibs, kids!

[sirgilbert357]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and has the right to express their opinion.

But when that opinion is based on information that is demonstrated to be incorrect, they should be honest enough to tract their original statements.

 

Lots of people believe things that are untrue, Glenn -- despite proof that is readily available proving them wrong. It's just not possible to right all the wrongs out there. You ever talked to a flat-earther? I mean....come on...LOL.

Edited March 2, 2020 by sirgilbert357

[Lam1]

 

... You ever talked to a flat-earther? I mean....come on...LOL.

 

Why, but of course the earth is flat!

Have you ever been to northwest MN, ND and east Montana?

There! I rest my case!

[Linger]

I unboxed mine this week and noticed two small other issues. First, unscrewing and screwing the cap makes a tiny high pitched squeeky noise. Second, when writing with the tip of the nib not 100,0% flat on the paper, makes the tines split a bit and that too can be heard. Now, two writing days later, both noises seem to disappear. Still, a bit odd for a flagship model commencing a flagship price...

[Glenn-SC]

I unboxed mine this week and noticed two small other issues. First, unscrewing and screwing the cap makes a tiny high pitched squeeky noise. Second, when writing with the tip of the nib not 100,0% flat on the paper, makes the tines split a bit and that too can be heard. Now, two writing days later, both noises seem to disappear. Still, a bit odd for a flagship model commencing a flagship price...

 

Parts, from metal to plastic, "wear in". Would you rather Pelikan un-cap and re-cap your pen a couple hundred times to wear it in and prevent it from "squeeking"?

 

Not holding a nib flat to the paper will make the tines split, so will pushing too hard.

[Gobblecup]

If you hold a pen improperly it will work improperly. More specifically, to add to what Glenn said, these nibs are known to be exceptionally soft, the nib will respond more than most modern Pelikan nibs to how you write with them. It does not surprise me that you encounter some noise from holding a round tipped pen at an oblique angle. Perhaps you should consider an oblique custom grind to your nib in the future? And fair warning, don't apply much pressure to these nibs, they are soft and will spring if you tax the metal.

Edited March 5, 2020 by Gobblecup

[dbs]

I unboxed mine this week and noticed two small other issues. First, unscrewing and screwing the cap makes a tiny high pitched squeeky noise. Second, when writing with the tip of the nib not 100,0% flat on the paper, makes the tines split a bit and that too can be heard. Now, two writing days later, both noises seem to disappear. Still, a bit odd for a flagship model commencing a flagship price...

Very true. Just like people upstairs said, you just used Pelikan in very very wrong way! Pelikan does not guarantee that you can implant your old writing habit (sometimes, very dangerous and very very wrong habit, such as Montblanc habit) to M1005. Once you receive your new M1005, please cap and uncap at least 1000 times before first ink. Also, hold you pen in microscopic precision. To be exact: 0 degree plus/minus 0.5 degree to the paper surface, with exact 3.5 Newton force applied.

 

Most important: please worship, do NOT complain.

[Glenn-SC]

Most important: please worship, do NOT complain.

Thank you for the constructive input.

 

Like what you want and use what you want, but one should know facts before one complains about them.

[A Smug Dill]

Thank you for the constructive input.

I, too, thank @dbs for his/her input again in this thread — with utmost sincerity and respect. He/she is the "poster child" of not automatically either siding with the O.P.'s narrative or leaping to the defence of the particular brand, but put factual truth — something we can all agree and rely on — above any individual's feelings one way or another.

 

Like what you want and use what you want, but one should know facts before one complains about them.

I would not presume to challenge whether @Linger factually detected "a tiny high pitched squeaky noise" when unscrewing or screwing his/her new pen, irrespective of how "normal" anyone else would expect that to be, especially when he/she has already added that the particular noise seems to have ceased after the first two days of use.

[Uncial]

Very true. Just like people upstairs said, you just used Pelikan in very very wrong way! Pelikan does not guarantee that you can implant your old writing habit (sometimes, very dangerous and very very wrong habit, such as Montblanc habit) to M1005. Once you receive your new M1005, please cap and uncap at least 1000 times before first ink. Also, hold you pen in microscopic precision. To be exact: 0 degree plus/minus 0.5 degree to the paper surface, with exact 3.5 Newton force applied.

 

Most important: please worship, do NOT complain.

 

What is the 'Montblanc habit'?

[Karmachanic]

 

What is the 'Montblanc habit'?

Nuns?

[Uncial]

Nuns?

 

I was thinking of a habit with a white snow peak on the cowl, but really, a pelican mother would be far more fitting.

[Linger]

Allow me to shortly come back to my earlier post. By now, the cap (un)screws without any sound anymore, the nib still does though, albeit less loudly, and less annoying.

 

For the record: I do enjoy the short thread on Pelikans, allowing for quick (un)screwing the cap, and I also do enjoy (immensely I might say) the bouncy nib of the 1000 versus the 800.

 

However.

 

 

I appreciate that whatever parts of whatever product need to "wear in" with first use, thus reducing/eliminating aforementioned issues, I just did not expect it from Pelikan's flagship model in this special edition. The last flagship pen I bought was the Sailor KoP Ebonite which was p e r f e c t out of the box, and so were almost all of the other pens in my small collection.

 

Anyway, I expect to remain and write very happy with this gorgeous pen and fabulous nib. I just did not expect any "flaws" with a flagship pen commencing a flagship price.

[Lam1]

I'm glad you like the pen.

 

But crossing the tines (and that will always make some noise) is not a flaw of the pen, it is a consequence of how you hold the the pen and how much pressure you use.

 

You probably have a reasonably light hand, because you don't seem to be crossing the tines of the KoP nib. But the KoP nib is not as soft as the M1000. IME, the M1000 nib requires way less pressure to cross the tines if you don't hold it correctly.

[katerchen]

 

Yeah Science! ( Sorry, I can't paste the full Breaking Bad quote here.)

 

 

First thing that came to my mind too when I read dbs' analysis

 

-k

[Intensity]

It sounds like the pen is rotated to produce the "clicking", when the slit is not parallel to the paper surface but rather the nib is turned. It is for this case that Oblique nibs are made. The tipping on those is cut at an angle to compensate for the rotation. I would recommend seeing about a replacement nib or having a nibmeister grind the tipping to an oblique one.

[sansenri]

"brass hole" or not, now that I finally decided to put the m1005 on my wish list I'm not going to be talked out of it...

[katerchen]

"brass hole" or not, now that I finally decided to put the m1005 on my wish list I'm not going to be talked out of it...

 

You are in a safe place. I don't think anyone here will talk you out of it

[DilettanteG]

 

I was thinking of a habit with a white snow peak on the cowl, but really, a pelican mother would be far more fitting.

 

I thought nuns were "Penguins", not "Pelikans." Or am I remembering Catholic school wrong?

[Uncial]

Maybe in nick-name. The Pelican is a symbol of Christ though.