New M1005 Stresemann Is A Cheaply Made Pen

[Sailor Kenshin]

Yeah, sorry the OP took his pen all the way apart for this. Pelikan still use brass for the M100X's...

 

I agree this is a lubrication issue. Every Pelikan I've ever owned has gotten a tiny bit of silicone grease for the piston upon arrival and it has helped them all. They are super smooth and turn with very little resistance, whether they were an M200 variant or one of my M800's. It's the same story with my Lamy 2000's - if they got a little stubborn, a little silicone grease on the tip of a toothpick to lube the piston and it's fixed.

 

Maybe the moral of this thread is: Ask the FPN community before taking your pen apart.

So where do you place this grease? I've got a little tub. But then what do you do with an old, loved Pel of little but sentimental value...and the nib unit doesn't thread out? I'm afraid to employ force. (Same problem with a slightly stiff Reform calligraphy pen.)

[jhsd1124013561]

LOL Nicely done!

So what is the final verdict?

 

I am very pleased to announce the piston barrel of M1005 Stresemann is made of Copper.

 

See scientific proof: I scan two pens with CT, left (anatomic coordinate, is on your right hand) is Montblanc Flex nib, right is Pelikan M1005 Stresemann. Below shows the Frontal image. I measured the HU (Hounsfield Number) of piston barrel. The average is 13597. According to Wiki page, Copper HU is 14000.

 

So it is brass, but now coated with plastic (instead of PVD) to increase air tighten.

[Freddy]

"I agree this is a lubrication issue. Every Pelikan I've ever owned has gotten a tiny bit of silicone grease for the piston upon arrival and it has helped them all. They are super smooth and turn with very little resistance, whether they were an M200 variant or one of my M800's. It's the same story with my Lamy 2000's - if they got a little stubborn, a little silicone grease on the tip of a toothpick to lube the piston and it's fixed."

 

 

Have a multitude of vintage/modern Pelikan fountain pens and it isn't needed to use diving grease routinely upon arrival of said pens....

 

Only {diving grease} required on a as need basis..or during the restoration process....And only a miniscule amount is necessary.....

 

YMMV..

 

Redactin'.....I'm no expert.......'tis of course my personal opinion..and yours and others may differ.......

 

Fred

Edited February 27, 2020 by Freddy

[Glenn-SC]

 

LOL. Who is so offended here that they need an apology??

 

 

Pelikan.

It's bad erroneous reviews and insults like this that make internet trolls flame Brands for no reason.

[DilettanteG]

So what is the final verdict?

 

I am very pleased to announce the piston barrel of M1005 Stresemann is made of Copper.

 

See scientific proof: I scan two pens with CT, left (anatomic coordinate, is on your right hand) is Montblanc Flex nib, right is Pelikan M1005 Stresemann. Below shows the Frontal image. I measured the HU (Hounsfield Number) of piston barrel. The average is 13597. According to Wiki page, Copper HU is 14000.

 

So it is brass, but now coated with plastic (instead of PVD) to increase air tighten.

 

This is just enormously satisfying to see. Yeah Science! ( Sorry, I can't paste the full Breaking Bad quote here.)

[Mr. Pink]

Glad I read all of the replies

[Rogi]

Going through the entire thread was worthwhile, but OP, please post an edit in the first post you made, that way people who don't read the entire thing won't have the misconception that the threads are plastic on the M1005.

I commend you for actually running the scan (lots of people wouldn't in this situation) but I do have to say you seem like a man of Science and this equates to insulting a Nobel Prize recipient before even running his experiment and proving him wrong, a Hypothesis instead of an accusation/conclusion would have been in order first. I would ask you to amend this statement:

 

"It is sad that Pelikan decided to go cheap. A brass barrel might cost them $20 more than plastic, but anyway, Pelikan wanted to save this small amount of money."

 

Keeping it as is, but adding after the details of your scan or the post number for the scan's results. Sadly lots of people won't read the entire thread but having that clarification in the first post would clear everything up. Thank you

 

 

Edited for double copy*

Edited February 28, 2020 by Rogi

[Freddy]

it is plastic rotates inside a brass hole

 

. No more brass barrel inside

 

I have used my M1005 for about 3 monthsphoto).

 

A brass barrel might cost them $20 more than plastic

Not called a Brass Hole....

 

There is No brass barrel............

 

Congratulations on your 3 month anniversary......

 

Again it ain't a brass barrel..and how one decides what it should cost...very interesting.....

 

'Tis called a Connector Bushing..

 

For a exploded view of a Pelikan M800.. the M1000 is the same as the 800.....Check Mr. Zorn over here....

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/346543-pelikan-800-exploded-view/?p=4210011

 

Fred

[TSherbs]

 

 

Pelikan.

It's bad erroneous reviews and insults like this that make internet trolls flame Brands for no reason.

Pelikan is fine.

 

The scan image is very cool. I don't know what it means, so I guess that I will trust the interpretation. You others seem and sound informed! Thanks for the edification!

[DilettanteG]

I commend you for actually running the scan (lots of people wouldn't in this situation) but I do have to say you seem like a man of Science and this equates to insulting a Nobel Prize recipient before even running his experiment and proving him wrong, a Hypothesis instead of an accusation/conclusion would have been in order first. I would ask you to amend this statement:

 

I like your commitment to truth, but a company is not a person. OP clearly is. Let’s not act like they’re the same thing.

 

Plus, I think in this day and age, most people on the internet realize a consumer’s comment is an opinion, not hard facts.

[A Smug Dill]

but a company is not a person. OP clearly is. Let’s not act like they’re the same thing.

 

Wise words!

 

I don't know about elsewhere, but in Australia corporate bodies (with some exclusions) cannot even sue for defamation. Pelikan as a non-living entity cannot have hurt feelings, so there is no obligation for anyone to apologise on account of that in some imagined social compact, when the corporation is part of the industry but not part of "the community". Should anyone else take the (since disproven) accusations as a personal affront, that is their prerogative but I doubt they'd be in any position to reasonably claim to be an aggrieved party and demand an apology.

 

I think @dbs has done a wonderful thing in standing up for objective truth, as opposed to being motivated to defend Pelikan as a company or brand; a statement of fact was tested and proven to be untrue.

 

I think it'd be good form for the O.P. to come back and openly acknowledge both his mistakes and @dbs's efforts in bringing them to light, but no apology is necessary. If anything, perhaps flamers of Pelikan who now feel they were mislead into making fools of themselves publicly, as a result of what the O.P. claimed — even though nobody directed or persuaded them to flame away — would have more of a cause for seeking an apology, however iffy that rationale is in trying to blame others for their self-induced shame.

[Erik Dalton]

Well, that kind of fizzled out....

[TSherbs]

Well, that kind of fizzled out....

Ha

 

Seek salt elsewhere

[Rogi]

 

I like your commitment to truth, but a company is not a person. OP clearly is. Let’s not act like they’re the same thing.

 

Plus, I think in this day and age, most people on the internet realize a consumer’s comment is an opinion, not hard facts.

 

Thank you, but I guess I would agree and then agree to disagree too (I guess that's a first ). I agree that the OP is a person and Pelikan is a company (I see it as a reputation question in the original post, I won't go into detail too much) but all I wanted in my original post is the truth summed up in the first post, its easier to just post one or two sentences than deal with fall out later.

 

In terms of a consumer's comment,you'd be surprised at how many people don't read through things and consider comments as facts without proof. From other forums (watches, history, research etc.) its been very surprising to me let alone from every day life experiences I've had. Lots of news, newspapers, media outlets post fake stories and then don't have to retract or change things.

[A Smug Dill]

In terms of a consumer's comment,you'd be surprised at how many people don't read through things and consider comments as facts without proof.

 

 

That happens in a lot of information channels, and I don't think one needs to be particularly vigilant about calling such things out and press for retraction in the special interest 'publication' (be it posts on FPN or reddit, videos on YouTube, or blog articles) arena that only reach a minority of consumers and prospective buyers of a narrow range of products.

 

Once, not that long ago (in 2018), I was in Dymocks — possibly the most recognisable bookseller and stationery store chain Australia-wide — and the attendant of the writing instruments section, whom the manager proudly touted as a calligraphy teacher and expert, declared to customers including myself who were browsing for fountain pens and inks at the time that, "Noodler's inks wrecks fountain pens," without any qualification to narrow down which specific inks, which pens, how and/or under what circumstances, but as if the blanket statement was fact. (It goes without saying that the store did not sell Noodler's inks.)

 

While I have my own misgivings about Noodler's products, am no friend of the company or its owner, and felt no compulsion to defend or protect the brand, when I asked her to explain, she didn't; but she and her manager insisted the claim was true solely on the basis that she's supposedly a "professional" in the know about such things.

 

I think she, and by extension her employer, lost a lot of credibility by her own doing in that very instant. However, I don't see why Joe Consumer standing beside me in the store would doubt her word if they aren't familiar with the products in questions themselves; and I also don't see how anyone could reasonably demand or expect an apology from her, even though the capacity in which she (claimed to have) made the accusation is far "worse" than just being a fellow consumer and fountain pen user, especially those who are posting anonymously and with no particular standing or credentials to cite. If anything, helping amplify the accuser's loss of credibility (and doing so to her face) would be far more of a service to the community than standing up for the manufacturer in question, in my opinion.

[TSherbs]

. Lots of news, newspapers, media outlets post fake stories and then don't have to retract or change things.

Yeah, but like talk at a bar over beer, if you don't recognize chatter and (bleep), what can anyone do? The title of this thread is clearly just a disagruntled opinion, likely limited in scope and experience. Maybe even uninformed. What else is new? It's an internet chat forum. Have another beer and join the (bleep) session.

 

I'll even throw this in: Pelikan pens are overpriced plastic nonsense, and their marketing is stuffy pretensiousness. I like how they write, though.

[Glenn-SC]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and has the right to express their opinion.

But when that opinion is based on information that is demonstrated to be incorrect, they should be honest enough to tract their original statements.

[A Smug Dill]

But when that opinion is based on information that is demonstrated to be incorrect, they should be honest enough to tract their original statements.

 

 

I agree wholeheartedly. However, it's my view than a public apology (in context, to be made in this very forum or thread) is uncalled for, least of all to the business entity that some bystanders may feel was unfairly criticised or maligned. Misleading one's peers, albeit unintentionally, when comment is not requested or demanded of oneself in the first place in a forum is a greater wrong — and still trivial at that — than simply rubbing someone the wrong way on account of personal allegiances, loyalties or even plain old goodwill towards particular brands or companies.

[sirgilbert357]

So where do you place this grease? I've got a little tub. But then what do you do with an old, loved Pel of little but sentimental value...and the nib unit doesn't thread out? I'm afraid to employ force. (Same problem with a slightly stiff Reform calligraphy pen.)

 

 

I take the tip of a toothpick and dip it in the grease, unscrew the nib, put the tip of the toothpick gently against the interior barrel wall and turn the pen a full 360 degrees to put a ring of grease on the barrel. Then work the piston up and down. You'll feel the difference right away.

 

If you have a Pelikan whose nib cannot be unscrewed, I have no advice. I'd contact Ron Zorn.

 

Personally, I look up maintenance on a pen before I even buy it. I won't buy a piston filler if I can't grease the piston myself. This is one of the reasons why I don't own a Mont Blanc -- and why I stay away from many vintage pens.

[Intensity]

Seeing the direction this thread went in, I don't see any motivation for the OP to come back and post a reply, beyond giving more credit to their name. But since that forum member has only made a total of 6 posts in the past 6 years since registering, I doubt they are invested enough in this community to care about consequences of their highly occasional posts. It's more likely this thread will fizzle out naturally and be forgotten.