Kaweco Sport Classic And International Short Cartridges

[thudthwacker]

I just got my first Kaweco today (I had a gift card -- what else was I going to do with it?) -- a Sport Classic. I already had a box of Waterman Mysterious Blue cartridges, so as soon as the pen came, I unpacked it, removed the Kaweco Blue cartridge from the barrel, and put in the Mysterious Blue. Or, rather, tried to. Though I pushed as hard as I thought I should (I really didn't want to snap the cartridge mount point), it didn't seem to go on. It seemed to be sort of on, so I tried using it for a bit, but of course, as soon as I tipped the pen up, I heard a *tink*, and opened the barrel to find that the cartridge had fallen off.

 

I popped in the Kaweco cartridge without a problem, and have been writing with it since (pretty nice pen, I think).

 

So, my question: what did I do wrong? Is Waterman not really a standard international short? Did I just need to shove with more gusto? Anybody else ever have this problem?

[Honeybadgers]

Waterman might be a hair wider. They're not "proprietary" per se, but they're not 100% standard sized.

 

But wider means it should still pop on. I have no idea what the problem might be.

 

J. Herbin, monteverde, visconti, and mont blanc will all fit no problem.

Edited March 21, 2019 by Honeybadgers

[almoore]

I generally use Herbin in my Kaweco's and they're fine; they also seem to suit the nib - mine were a little dry and scratchy until I swapped to Herbin.

 

But I had the same experience as you with a Waterman and another pen, in the end I applied brute force and a small nail to resolve the problem. In fairness to Waterman this has only happened once in all the years I've been using their cartridges, I put it down to a production one off.

 

Al

[Ink Stained Wretch]

I wonder if Waterman has changed the size of the collar on their short international cartridges? There is a bit of a trend among all sorts of manufacturers to capture consumers by making their products proprietary. I wonder if Waterman is making cartridges that are different from the standard so that people will be forced to use Waterman cartridges in Waterman fountain pens? Well, I'm speculating.

 

The one-off defect theory is quite a good one, so far as I'm seeing. I have loads of short international cartridges which I refill, and I haven't noticed this problem, not to say that I won't, of course.

 

I suppose we'll find out here on FPN. If we start seeing more postings similar to the original one in this thread we'll know something's up.

 

[Astronymus]

Waterman and cartridges seems to be a topic of it's own.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/301582-waterman-cartridges-and-converters/?hl=cartridges

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/263837-waterman-and-international-cartridges/?hl=cartridges

[thudthwacker]

Waterman might be a hair wider. They're not "proprietary" per se, but they're not 100% standard sized.

 

But wider means it should still pop on. I have no idea what the problem might be.

 

J. Herbin, monteverde, visconti, and mont blanc will all fit no problem.

 

I'm starting to wonder if it *does* have a larger opening, and it went on with so *little* force that I didn't notice, and the thing that I misinterpreted as it not quite going onto the nipple was actually me trying to press the cartridge through the base of the section. But, at this point, I have emptied the cartridge that came with the Kaweco, and I know for sure that fits, and I have a blunt-tip syringe for filling it.

 

Many thanks to all.