Similar To Pelikan 4001 Turquoise But Wetter?

[TheDutchGuy]

Which ink would be similar to Pelikan 4001 Turquoise but significantly wetter? Although 4001 Turquoise isn't nearly as dry as 4001 Blue-Black, it's not a wet ink either and I've got a thirsty stub that requires a wetter ink.

 

4001 Turqoise hasn't got much teal in it, it strikes me as a lively, bright kind of sky-blue, and that's my goal. (Pelikan calls this 'Turquoise' but I don't think this is the right name for it, as turquoise usually has green or teal in it. So I'm not looking for a turquoise but to something similar to this particular ink.)

 

An alternative might be Sailor Jentle Souten, which I have and the colour of which I love (though it is more understated than 4001 Turqoise), but that is the one ink that I don't trust - it's prone to go bad and it has actually cost me a decent pen.

 

Any suggestions? Thanks!

[aurore]

Well, traditional suggestions are: adding a bit of dish soap to the 4001, Iro Konpeki, Edelstein Topaz and my personal tip Pure Pens Celtic Sea.

What actually the naughty Souten did to your pen and what pen it was?

Edited March 9, 2019 by aurore

[TheDutchGuy]

Thanks! I'm not sure that Edelstein Topaz ink will be wetter than P4001 Turquoise. Adding glycerine is always an option, but I also use P4001T in other pens for which it is not too dry. From the Iroshizuku range, I am considering ama-iro, which seems to be a high-quality, well-behaved sky blue, while kon-peki is somewhat darker.

 

Souten went spectacularly bad in my Sailor 1911 Standard. Within a period of three weeks, it suddenly changed into a very sticky mess which was very hard to clean out of the pen. The stuff had actually lifted one of the tines from the feed, because it swelled in the gap between in the two.

[MsRedpen]

TDG,

Pure Pens Celtic Seas suggested by aurore was also my first thought.

While I took a photo of writing samples (souten, topaz, celtic seas) I realized the colours were highly misrepresented - so not worth posting. Do look at few online reviews.

 

It is fairly wet, bright turquoise.

 

I use it permanently in Platinum #3776 with SF nib, to balance the dryness of the pen.

[sciumbasci]

Add a tiny drop of dishwater soap to a separate vial full of ink, shake and then write with it. Works with Namib-dry IG inks, should work with 4001 inks.

[TheDutchGuy]

^---adding glycerine is always an option, it's a trick I regularly use, but the downside is that you can't gat it out once you put it in. A bit too much, and you get bleedthrough and feathering. I'd prefer not to do it if other options are available.

 

 

^---Walked over to my local brick and mortar (Appelboom, they stock a ton of ink) and perused through their massive ink book. KWZ Turquoise struck my eye, it seemed very close to 4001 Turquoise and I know from prior experience that KWZ inks are quite wet. At 12 euros for 60 mL, it's worth the chance. Personally I barely perceive a colour difference between this ink and 4001 Turquoise, yet KWZ is significantly wetter and therefore a good match with my thirsty stub.

 

PS as always the photo doesn't do the inks justice, they're much richer in reality. However the photo _does_ clearly show the almost identical colour.

 

Thanks, everyone! I will check out Pure Pens Celtic Sea if I find it somewhere (I prefer to buy ink in brick and mortar stores, if possible). No experience with Pure Pens yet, so I'm intrigued.

Edited March 9, 2019 by TheDutchGuy

[adyf]

Could Waterman Inspired Blue be an option?

[aurore]

Thanks! I'm not sure that Edelstein Topaz ink will be wetter than P4001 Turquoise. Adding glycerine is always an option, but I also use P4001T in other pens for which it is not too dry. From the Iroshizuku range, I am considering ama-iro, which seems to be a high-quality, well-behaved sky blue, while kon-peki is somewhat darker.

 

Souten went spectacularly bad in my Sailor 1911 Standard. Within a period of three weeks, it suddenly changed into a very sticky mess which was very hard to clean out of the pen. The stuff had actually lifted one of the tines from the feed, because it swelled in the gap between in the two.

 

A Sailor ink causing such troubles in a Sailor pen? Great job, Sailor, raise up the prices even more!

 

Actually while I agree reg. Topaz I still think Konpeki might be the best alternative, it is not a super wet ink but in your pen it would flow well enough yet not extremely wet so the colour would be exactly as you wish (it is darker only in super gushers). Actually Souten is darker than Konpeki.

[senzen]

I find Turquoise inks change dramatically depending on the pen and nib; from what I have I am going to venture suggesting Ama Iro. I've learned Iroshizuku inks are so well behaved if there are any problems, it's sure to be my pen.

 

 

The paper is Fabriano Traccia. I have Souten, it has given me no problems beyond finding the right pen for it: too dark on most (lots of sheen), too light on a Parker 75, now on a Muji; more of a medium blue than turquoise to my eye.

[Almu]

Souten went spectacularly bad in my Sailor 1911 Standard. Within a period of three weeks, it suddenly changed into a very sticky mess which was very hard to clean out of the pen. The stuff had actually lifted one of the tines from the feed, because it swelled in the gap between in the two.

 

I've had Kin Mokusei turn into a thick, slimy stuff in one of my pen's feed... I couldn't get it out completely without taking the feed out and using a toothbrush to clean it

[lapis]

Closest thing I can think of (at the moment) is Skrip's (Slovenian) Turquoise. Also as far as the dough plus availability are concerned....

[geodesigner]

Good that you got a greet alternative on that KWZ! Other suggestions would be old standards Waterman Inspired Blue and Sheaffer Skrip Turquoise.

[inkstainedruth]

From the scans, Diamine Turquoise might also be a good color match. If you want to match the color, I would not recommend Edelstein Topaz: that's almost identical to Diamine Havasu Turquoise, which is darker and has more shading than the (regular) Diamine Turquoise (that being said, I like the flow of Topaz a bit better than that of Havasu Turquoise.

Afraid I haven't tried the 4001 Turquoise (although I think I have a sample of it). I was underwhelmed by modern Skrip Turquoise. (I was on a hunt a couple of years ago to find something that matched the color and shading of vintage Skrip Peacock, and Diamine Turquoise has so far been the closest).

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[ScarletWoodland]

I'll be watching this thread with interest as I'm looking for the same thing (with the extra added difficulty of it being flex friendly).

 

I found Pure Pens Celtic Sea much darker, although a gorgeous ink in its own right.

 

I've been looking at Monteverde Caribbean Blue for a pretty close match. It seems to have less of the shading that I love in 4001 but might be worth you taking a look at.

 

+1 on Waterman Inspired Blue too.

Edited March 10, 2019 by ScarletWoodland

[TheDutchGuy]

Great suggestions, everyone. Thanks!

[lgsoltek]

Or the inexpensive but wonderful R&K Blu Mare.

[austinwft]

Pilot Iroshizuku Ku-jaku would be the favorite of all the turquoise inks I possess and writes as wet and wonderful as all of the Iroshizuku inks I've used. It also shows some nice shading with broader nibs.

[uceroy]

Lamy turquoise is a bit wetter than pelikan, waterman inspired blue quite a bit wetter.

I also have Noodler's eel turquoise, which is awesome 🙂

Good luck in your inkquest!

[amberleadavis]

Noodler's Eel Turquoise is a great ink.

Lamy Turquoise is another good performer.

One of my favorites is Iroshizuku Kon Peki.

 

Be sure to check out the threads in my signature line below for specific colors.

[RudraDev]

You can try out Krishna Cool Breeze. It's a lovely shade of blue and like the Pelikan Turquoise, it's more of a true blue.

You can find my review of the ink on the ink reviews forum.