Sailor Profit 21/14(Standard)

[mke]

Is there really a big difference between a Sailor Profit 14 (i.e. standard) and a Profit 21?

 

I like the Sailor profit pens, I have two.

After "repairing" a scratchy 14K nib, one of them now writes really well*. The other pen just needed an extended cleaning and isn't scratchy at all. (I buy my pens on Yahoo auctions, so I sometimes do run into small troubles.)

 

Would you, from your experience, recommend me a 21K - comparing with a 14K?

Is it a must-have?

 

* I also realized that the pens write better when I keep them horizontal not vertical.

 

Thank you.

[Bluey]

Is there really a big difference between a Sailor Profit 14 (i.e. standard) and a Profit 21?

 

7k.

 

You'll get people who say the 21k is <insert comparative adjective here> or the 14k is <insert some other comparative adjective here>, but that's just variation between pens.

From what I've read, the 21k is softer and harder, smoother and less smooth, stubbier and less stubby,.....

[mke]

Thank you for your market review. Everything is clear now.

Another difference is the 50-100 USD price difference (depending on used or new and on seller).

 

So, if I stumble over a good opportunity, I will just try to find out.

[Bluey]

I can't detect any difference. I would go for the 14k because 1) it's cheaper, and 2) if at a later date if your tastes change and want to send it to a nibmeister to be altered in some way, then it will be easier for them to work on

Edited June 6, 2017 by Bluey

[Driften]

Well they Profit21/1911L is a larger pen, but the Profit Standard/1911M does come in 21k as well as 14k. I would think in the smaller model the difference would not be much, but comparing the 21k Profit21 to the standard is not the same since you are talking about different pen and nib sizes as well as gold alloy. The Profit21/1911L does not come in 14k at all.

[mke]

OK, that is right. It is good that you remind me. I had a short look onto the Sailor HP.

 

Profit Standard 14K 135 mm 12000 Yen (without tax) LINK

Profit Standard 21K135 mm 15000 Yen (without tax) LINK

Profit 21K141 mm 20000 Yen (without tax) LINK

Profit 21K Shingen sword 141 mm 25000 Yen (without tax) LINK

Profit 21K Rearo 141 mm 30000 Yen (without tax) LINK

King Profit ST 153 mm 60000 Yen (without tax) LINK

King Profit Ebonite 70000 Yen (without tax) LINK

 

Not to forget the other Sailor lines "Professional Gear" and "Professional GearΣ"

 

Perhaps I should visit a shop and test these pens to see if I really "must" upgrade from Profit Standard 14K to something "better".

Actually, I don't think so but who knows, I might fall in love with one of these other pens.

[jar]

I'm not sure why you keep using the word "better" as though there was some claim that one model was better than the other. They are different and so no one would really expect the prices for different things to be the same.

[Driften]

OK, that is right. It is good that you remind me. I had a short look onto the Sailor HP.

 

.....

Perhaps I should visit a shop and test these pens to see if I really "must" upgrade from Profit Standard 14K to something "better".

Actually, I don't think so but who knows, I might fall in love with one of these other pens.

 

 

Yes you might find one of the larger pens fits your hand or style of writing better. Maybe even the slightly larger size nib will feel better. I just don't think it going to be from the gold content.

 

Good Luck! I would be interested to hear what you think after trying them in person at a shop. I keep wondering if I should get the next size up from my Profit Standard. I like the way it writes but a little larger and thicker could be even nicer still. Here in the USA it is hard to try out pens in a shop. Not many shops carry fountain pens where I live.

[mke]

> I'm not sure why you keep using the word "better" as though there was some claim that one model was better than the other.

 

Of course should be a much more expensive model somewhere be also better. "Better" should mean more functions, more convenient, smoother writing, etc.

Using "better" was a lazy usage of me.

 

We will see how I think about the pens after a field test. I will report back.

Edited June 7, 2017 by mke

[plumo]

I'm looking forward to your report since I recently purchased a 21K after having read that Sailor puts more effort into quality control and construction than the 14K model. It'll be interesting to get another opinion since I'm thinking about purchasing a second Sailor.

[Bluey]

purchased a 21K after having read that Sailor puts more effort into quality control and construction than the 14K model.

 

I'm not really sure why they would, and if they did, how they would.

[mke]

OK. I bought a Profit21 - used. It writes smooth. But I can not really compare because my K14s (Profit Standard) are both equipped with an F-sized nib while this one has an M nib.

Uncapped 12.3cm vs 11.7cm and a bit thicker around its "belly", it fits well into my hand.

 

line widths

21K - M: 0.40-0.45mm

14K - F: 0.35-0.40mm

 

Parker 180 XF-M

M: 0.40-0.45mm

XF: 0.25-0.30mm

 

So, the 21K-M has a typical M nib.

 

I think, I like it.

Edited June 18, 2017 by mke

[Driften]

Good to hear. I hope it works out for you.