Goulet Dropped Waterman?

[Gloucesterman]

Bye, bye Waterman.

okay, let's see here...

Waterman Ink

JIF peanut butter

AND what looks like a Studebaker front end/grill!!

That makes THREE classic brands in one image.

Take about product placement.

 

Wish I had a Studebaker - preferably an Avanti! Okay, I will accept an Avanti II

[Sailor Kenshin]

I want that truck.

[TSherbs]

What else could it be, but Waterman Black.

 

- Anthony

It looked green on my screen.

[ErrantSmudge]

Waterman's Green ink is nowhere near that dark.

[ink-syringe]

You said it all.

 

I still have some of the older bottles. Hmmm...use, or hoard?

 

 

I have the old bottles as well. About 4 of them. My last of the old bottles. My old mom and pop shop had old stock (none buys bottled ink here) & bought those not even knowing about the switch over till I got my annual bottle of Florida Blue last year and noted that the box was different. I use them all, old and new. Ink is a consumable. You can take it with you when you die but probably isn't going to be of much use.

 

I have ink bottles scattered here there and everywhere in my apts (I live in 2 places b/c of my job) and my office but the Waterman bottles are always in reach, never put away and are always on the priviledged spot on my books shelf.

Edited June 4, 2017 by ink-syringe

[Noihvo]

Waterman's Green ink is nowhere near that dark.

 

[ParkerDuofold]

It looked green on my screen.

 

Hello all,

 

I thought it was WM Intense Black for a couple of reasons:

 

One, given the subject(s) of this thread; I thought Noihvo was using WM Black as "poetic justice" to drive home his argument(s).

 

Second, WM Black DOES have a green(ish) tint or caste to it and given the infinite variables of digital imaging and how it can indiscriminately play back on some monitors, (and I'm usually on mobiles), I figured, well...

 

But, I was also being kind of a smart-***, too; (hence the cheesy grin emoticons).

 

- Anthony

Edited June 4, 2017 by ParkerDuofold

[ParkerDuofold]

...Here's a link to the "Blue Obsession Ink"; where in the description they 'fes up that it's actually Inspired Blue

http://www.waterman.com/en/ink-bottles/243-blue-obsession-ink-bottle-inspired-blue-fountain-pen.html

 

("Ink Color Inspired Blue")...

 

 

Thanks for posting this, Olya; I've always suspected they had better hallucinogenic drugs in Europe and reading those ink color descriptions clinched it.

 

- Anthony

Edited June 4, 2017 by ParkerDuofold

[TSherbs]

Waterman's Green ink is nowhere near that dark.

Nor as interesting. Which was my point above. That color they call "Harmonious Green" is a green forgetting what it is and degrading into a teal. And a weak one, at that.

 

Blah.

 

Does anyone prefer Waterman black over both Aurora or Parker? I'd give it a try if anyone would actually vouch that it is better.

[ParkerDuofold]

Nor as interesting. Which was my point above. That color they call "Harmonious Green" is a green forgetting what it is and degrading into a teal. And a weak one, at that.

 

Blah.

 

Does anyone prefer Waterman black over both Aurora or Parker? I'd give it a try if anyone would actually vouch that it is better.

Hi T,

 

The color that keeps "degrading" into a teal is their blue-black... aka, Mysterious Blue... it's known for its ability to bring ideas up from the deep well of your imagination.

 

Actually, the color-shift is caused by a chemical reaction with the paper; if you spill it on cloth, the color stays blue-black... don't ask. Quink b/b shifts, too, but not nearly to the same degree, IIRC.

 

I've tried blacks from Monteverde, Waterman, Lamy, J. Herbin, Aurora and Noodlers... and they all have their pros and cons, but Aurora probably remains my favorite.

 

Ironically, I've never tried Quink Black.

 

- Anthony

[Sailor Kenshin]

Hi T,

The color that keeps "degrading" into a teal is their blue-black... aka, Mysterious Blue... it's known for its ability to bring ideas up from the deep well of your imagination.

Actually, the color-shift is caused by a chemical reaction with the paper; if you spill it on cloth, the color stays blue-black... don't ask. Quink b/b shifts, too, but not nearly to the same degree, IIRC.

I've tried blacks from Monteverde, Waterman, Lamy, J. Herbin, Aurora and Noodlers... and they all have their pros and cons, but Aurora probably remains my favorite.

Ironically, I've never tried Quink Black.

- Anthony

It's a little dry. Otherwise, no complaints.

[eharriett]

okay, let's see here...

Waterman Ink

JIF peanut butter

AND what looks like a Studebaker front end/grill!!

That makes THREE classic brands in one image.

Take about product placement.

 

Wish I had a Studebaker - preferably an Avanti! Okay, I will accept an Avanti II

I am ashamed to admit I completely missed the 1950 Studebaker bullet on that truck.

 

Learned to drive on a 62 GT Hawk in 92.

[ErrantSmudge]

 

Does anyone prefer Waterman black over both Aurora or Parker? I'd give it a try if anyone would actually vouch that it is better.

 

It isn't. Waterman's black is very washed-out, esp. compared with Aurora. I haven't seen the latest Parker Quink. I have a few drops left of the old Quink Solv-X, which is well-behaved and a deeper black than Waterman.

Edited June 4, 2017 by ErrantSmudge

[ParkerDuofold]

...Learned to drive on a 62 GT Hawk in 92.

You lucky stiff !!

 

I learned how to drive in my dad's Grand Marquis and my mom's Caprice Classic.

 

I'll say one thing for the Mercury... it had seats like Barcaloungers and a ride like floating on air... I probably would have fallen asleep if I hadn't had my dad with me to keep hollering in my right ear.

 

- Anthony

Edited June 4, 2017 by ParkerDuofold

[Gloucesterman]

My "home instructional vehicle" was a '57 Pontiac Super Chief. Had a big V8 and NO power steering. I definitely developed some upper body strength turning that steering wheel.

 

BTW, I still think that Studebaker had some really nice looking cars. Actually I would consider the Avanti to be the FIRST "pony" car although it was considered expensive. More expensive than the Mustang or Camaro.

[ParkerDuofold]

My "home instructional vehicle" was a '57 Pontiac Super Chief. Had a big V8 and NO power steering. I definitely developed some upper body strength turning that steering wheel...

I'll bet you did.

 

I remember in H.S.; my best friend had a '68 Catalina with a 400 4bbl. and manual brakes. I remember the first time he let me drive it; coasting right through an intersection, wondering why isn't this car stopping. Fortunately, there was no other traffic.

 

- Anthony

Edited June 4, 2017 by ParkerDuofold

[eharriett]

Does anyone prefer Waterman black over both Aurora or Parker? I'd give it a try if anyone would actually vouch that it is better.

Oh good lord, no! I have the Waterman Black before they changed the name to "intense." Same exact formulation, just before they got silly with the name. It is my tester ink. I try out all my pens with it for first fill simply because it is so well behaved. But no, it is a terrible black. Doesn't even dry black. It dries gray-black. Nothing "intense" about it at all.

 

You lucky stiff !!

 

I learned a great deal about driving in it. Especially since no had seen a Studebaker on the road for almost 20 years when I learned how to drive (they went out of business in 66, I was born in 76, so I wasn't one of those kids who was just into the underdog). Driving around in a car like that when I was so young taught me respect for a how dangerous an automobile can be and not to take the car's ability to start up on the first time for granted. Not to mention my love of the manual transmission. But I also learned I enjoy using things that aren't in everyday life anymore (like fountain pens). So yes, in a way you could say Studebakers are responsible for me enjoying fountain pens

 

 

I'll bet you did.

 

I remember in H.S.; my best friend had a '68 Catalina with a 400 4bbl. and manual brakes. I remember the first time he let me drive it; coasting right through an intersection, wondering why isn't this car stopping. Fortunately, there was no other traffic.

 

- Anthony

I was almost a year into driving before I ever drove something that wasn't that Studebaker. The Hawk had power nothing (great pickup, though). So when I finally drove something younger than me which had power brakes and power steering, I overcorrected so badly on both that I remember how terrified I and everyone else in the car was. Not to mention it was my first time driving an automatic and on more than one occasion I accidentally took the car out of D and put it into N before I remembered.

 

BTW, I still think that Studebaker had some really nice looking cars. Actually I would consider the Avanti to be the FIRST "pony" car although it was considered expensive. More expensive than the Mustang or Camaro.

I think you're right. On both counts. They made them through the 80's. Far outlasted Studebaker. Very impressive design that still holds up today.

[ParkerDuofold]

 

...I learned a great deal about driving in it. Especially since no had seen a Studebaker on the road for almost 20 years when I learned how to drive (they went out of business in 66, I was born in 76, so I wasn't one of those kids who was just into the underdog). Driving around in a car like that when I was so young taught me respect for a how dangerous an automobile can be and not to take the car's ability to start up on the first time for granted. Not to mention my love of the manual transmission. But I also learned I enjoy using things that aren't in everyday life anymore (like fountain pens). So yes, in a way you could say Studebakers are responsible for me enjoying fountain pens

 

That is a great backstory, eharriet. It sounds to me like that Studebaker did for you, everything that a "first car" is supposed to do.

 

 

I was almost a year into driving before I ever drove something that wasn't that Studebaker. The Hawk had power nothing (great pickup, though). So when I finally drove something younger than me which had power brakes and power steering, I overcorrected so badly on both that I remember how terrified I and everyone else in the car was. Not to mention it was my first time driving an automatic and on more than one occasion I accidentally took the car out of D and put it into N before I remembered.

 

I can picture it now!

 

- Anthony

 

[Tasmith]

 

All we can do is hope... and there's always FPH in Manhattan and Anderson in Wisconsin; they should both be able to keep their accounts... if this is even the case... right now, all we have are speculations.

 

 

- Anthony

B&M stores in the Washington DC area: Bertram's Inkwell http://www.bertramsinkwell.com/, The Pen Boutique http://www.penboutique.com/ and Fahrney's Pens https://www.fahrneyspens.com/.

[Honeybadgers]

Don't blame management, it was the union.

 

I don't know much about the reasons waterman would drop goulet for, but this comment bothers me.

 

The union did not kill kodak. Kodak's management didn't keep the company relevant and therefore couldn't afford to pay its employees a decent wage. Employees wanting a decent wage being somehow "bad" is so trite. We have the same damn argument every contract in the emergency medicine business. The company pleads poverty to the union while posting record profits, tries to turn people against the union, and we all suffer a wage below the minimum of the city we work in (and way, way below livable) because some people don't know anything about unions and fall for the cult of personality that businesses try to perpetuate. A business does not fail because of good employees. It fails because it isn't providing a competitive service that people want to patronize, and part of providing a competitive service is providing competitive wages.

 

Sorry, off my soap box. I freaking love waterman inks. Harmonious green is one of my favorites with good manners, good shading, and it sort of sheens black around the edges, giving words a comic book-cell shaded effect when written with a wet pen, and their prices are fantastic. The first pen I ever "bought" was begging my stepdad to buy my mom a Waterman Phileas blue marble as a child in the 1990s. She used it for 20 years and passed it on to me. Even with the steel nail, it's a fantastic writer and was made very well.

 

I genuinely think Lamy is run by a bunch of Lizard people from the planet Zog with regards to their business practices. We buy their stuff because their stuff is good, not because they make smart decisions. They're the idiot savants of fountain pens.

 

It's sad, but the japanese are really on the ball when it comes to market presence. The biggest names apart from pelikan and MB are the guys that sell massive numbers of cheap, well made products - pilot has the metropolitan, a nigh-universal first fountain pen. It comes with a cartridge, a converter, is metal barreled, well made, and writes a fine enough line that works on the cheap paper most first time buyers are likely to have. They also release special editions regularly enough, and have a wide enough variety of pens that basically work as a step ladder from $10 to $10,000.

 

I genuinely think that most FP makers should have a well made, $10-30 pen that comes with a converter included . I start everyone off with either a pilot penmanship or metropolitan, as the preppy is a great writer and I usually just give them one (I always have a bag of eyedropper converted F preppies since they're $2 each) because the preppy is just a little too barebones and cheap looking.

Edited June 5, 2017 by Honeybadgers