Parker 45 Flighter With Dimples On The Shell?

[MadMudMob]

Whilst cruising the internet to get a replacement nib for my much loved Parker 45 Flighter (that my dear Father gave me for my 21st many many years ago) I came across this pen for sale and at first it looked to me like an 'ordinary' 45 Flighter. My knowledge is minimal and further Google searches confused me even more so I would like to ask please if someone could perhaps tell me more about this pen that has a series of dimples on the shell .... I assume to provide added grip when writing?

 

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Any and all help much appreciated

[Beechwood]

Its a fault sorry, they should not be there. Please see the thread below and the excellent exploded image provided by Ernst.

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/topic/211516-old-parker-45-not-starting-well-and-skipping/

 

It looks as if they could have been caused by heat, not sure. If it still works and you can live with the dimples then all is good, complete and good pens come up very regularly, I have just sold a mint 45 flighter for £20 for example.

 

I may have misunderstood you, when you say that you have seen this pen on the internet, I assume that you have bought it and these are your pics, if this is not the case then I would give it a miss, plenty more fish in the sea.

 

The section is especially simple on the 45, just a hollow tube to which the barrel and nib screws at either end, its just that they done come up for sale as a part.

Edited May 19, 2016 by Beechwood

[Ernst Bitterman]

They're a result of the pressure of the cap's "fingers" pressing on the shell over a long period. Not intentional, and when in that degree, there's some fear that they might affect the function (you can see less profound ones in the exploded picture which I'm made to blush over ). That, gang, is why you leave the cap loose if you're storing a 45.

[MadMudMob]

Thankyou so much both of you ... I shall give this one a try to see if it's writing suits me and if not I will keep looking

[MadMudMob]

As an afterthought may I ask if there is such a beast as an extra wide of BB nib for these wonderful pens?
Mine has kept going through first university then life in general including my passion for writing long letters to relatives and friends and has never let me down. Luckily my Father instilled in me the need to actively care for my fountain pen rather than ignore or abuse it.

[the_gasman]

Yes, you can get BB nibs for them -- I recently bought a 45 with a wonderful "Z" nib that behaves like an OBB italic. I can't stop smiling as I use it.

 

Apropos the original question, I use a 45 Flighter with a shrunken section every day as my work pen, with Diamine registrar's ink. Looks ugly; writes superbly.

 

I have come to love 45s, especially the ones with 14k nibs. They are grossly underestimated pens.

 

Cheers,

David.

[MadMudMob]

Thankyou, I shall begin a search to find a BB nib.

 

I must admit I am sorely tempted by this nib but I think it will be too costly for me to take the chance as my pennies are sorely limited ....

Mint NOS Parker 45 14ct solid gold nib in rare Left Hand Medium Reverse Oblique

Edited May 19, 2016 by MadMudMob

[MadMudMob]

Apology ... posted a duplicate

Edited May 19, 2016 by MadMudMob

[the_gasman]

I shall begin a search to find a BB nib.

 

I must admit I am sorely tempted by this nib but I think it will be too costly for me to take the chance as my pennies are sorely limited ....

Mint NOS Parker 45 14ct solid gold nib in rare Left Hand Medium Reverse Oblique

 

It's hard to find broad, oblique, or italic nibs for the 45. There are just too many of the pesky M nibs!

 

That nib on eBay (UK) looks fantastic. Are you left-handed? If I was a lefty, I'd be after it like a shot.

 

Cheers,

David.

[MadMudMob]

Yep, I'm what we Welsh call kack-handed but from my early days in junior school using a dip pen I have always used standard (right handed) nibs.

I recently bought a new cheapy Lamy Safari with a left nib but am having no joy at all with it especially as I prefer my nib to be as wide as possible and as wet as possible. As you can tell, I have been exploring and learning via Google and You-Tube recently hence being thrilled to find this place.

That nib is so tempting but such a risk too and I can't seem to get my much loved but (sorry for swearing) biro using Hubby to understand the thrill if it were to suit me against the uselessness and waste of money if it did not.

[pajaro]

Theoretically, a left oblique is favorable for right handers and a right oblique is favorable for left handers. I have tried several samples of each, and I think they have no particular benefit for me as a left handed over writer, nor do they help if I under write on purpose. The only negative is that I feel I have to rotate the pen to get the nib on its sweet spot. If I write with the nib off its sweet spot, I sometimes see line variation if I see any ink at all. Sometimes come in right and left broads, mediums and fines.

 

I got a nice steel fine italic from Pendemonium that they ground from a medium, so there is hope for the mediums.

[MadMudMob]

Interesting - I suspect that is why I like such a wet flow to avoid the scratchy-gaps

[mitto]

NOS or good shape used sections often come up for sale. I keep buying parts for 45. Bodies, caps, sections, nibs and squeeze converters to use in junk pens I buy for very little money. Mostly I find these parts in antique stores in City Centres here.

 

Wish you good luck finding a replacement section for your 45.

[amk]

The best way to find a BB nib is just to buy every rubbishy looking old 45 you see at a car boot or flea market.

 

I'm still kicking myself for not getting an italic nib 45 at Vanves flea market in Paris. In my defence, I don't much like the 45s with plastic caps... but of course I could have just swapped the section over. Duh.

 

(Mind you, that was the day I got a Pelikan 100 for ten euros and a Parker 61 gold filled for a little more... I can live without the 45!)

Edited May 20, 2016 by amk

[hood]

That nib is so tempting but such a risk too .... if it were to suit me against the uselessness and waste of money if it did not.

 

Bear in mind that that nib is an oblique italic which on the 45s are fairly flat and so need to be aligned to the paper quite carefully, they're not particularly forgiving of the angle you hold them. Not everyone likes the feel of using oblique italics so if you've not used one before then you may want to be sure before blowing your budget. Conventionally, using one will result in the 'face' of the nib, i.e. the top surface, being rotated toward your eye as you write, which is why the left-foot obliques tend to be used by right-handers and the right-foot obliques by left-handers.

[inkstainedruth]

Thankyou, I shall begin a search to find a BB nib.

 

I must admit I am sorely tempted by this nib but I think it will be too costly for me to take the chance as my pennies are sorely limited ....

Mint NOS Parker 45 14ct solid gold nib in rare Left Hand Medium Reverse Oblique

 

YOWSA! I've paid less for Parker 51s -- okay, they were all exceptionally good deals, but still. Heck, I paid less for one of my Pelikans (an M100 from the 1980s).

Admittedly, I got a 45 on the Bay of Evil last year, and it turned out the nib was in fairly bad shape (it was an F, but missing some of the tipping); I was able to get a replacement 14K nib at a pen show, but I think I ended up paying around $30 US. So overall more money. But at least I got a pen out of it -- not just a nib.

Ruth Morrisson aka inkstainedruth

[Mike 59]

A couple of years ago I bought a very 'dimpled' secton on a very beaten up '45', and after several soaking sessions, it turned out to have a 14k Uk made medium nib, which was switched into my other decent GT 'Flighter'.

That nib had to be held at a very low angle to the paper to write well, but I did some rounding to the tipping, now it's an 'everyday' writer. A very comfortable and reliable pen.

Edited May 20, 2016 by Mike 59

[hood]

But at least I got a pen out of it -- not just a nib.

 

That nib is much, much harder to come by than a fine or medium.

[MadMudMob]

Thankyou all for chipping in ... I am going to like it here

 

So far my search for a BB via good old Google has failed so if anyone has any thoughts on where it would be much appreciated.

This morning my new steel B nib has arrived from Peter Twydle of the PenMuseum (£10) and I am excited at spending the day with my pen and the Diamine "Umber" I treated myself to.

[mitto]

The 45 section is not a 'hallow tube' to which the nib unit and the barrel screw at both ends. It has a fairly big size collector screwed inside at the barrel end. And it is the collector inside the section that has the nipple for the cartridge/converter to fit into.

 

 

 

https://www.fountainpennetwork.com/forum/uploads/monthly_02_2016/post-117288-0-88377500-1454755566.jpg

Edited May 20, 2016 by mitto