Waterman Ideal Retractable Nib Looking For Identification

[Thier.]

Hi.

I've just found that Waterman Ideal with retractable nib.

 

It seems to be an eye-dropper pen (but I don't know how to refill it)

 

The cap is missing but perhaps the person who gave it to me will found it later he is going to have a look...

 

At the rear of the pen, I can read 08 AUG 1908 with the logo IDEAL between AUG and 1908. The engraving isn'yt easy to read but with good glasses ... Is it the date of issue or the date of the model has been designed ?

 

The body seems to be in silver.

 

Here are a few pictures. Perhaps someone could help me identifying it and bring it back to life .....

 

[crescentfiller]

Hello. That's a nice pen--or half of a pen!

 

"It seems to be an eye-dropper pen (but I don't know how to refill it)"

 

Yes, it is an eyedropper. When the nib is not extended (when it is inside the barrel), you use an eyedropper to put "drops" of ink into the barrel. The cap (if you had it) will seal the top when not in use; the barrel is sealed when the nib is raised for writing.

 

Start here to look for a cap if the previous owner cannot find the original:

 

www.vintagewatermanpens.com

 

Best, Daniel

 

PS Test it with some water first. Old safety pens, like other old pens, may need a bit of attention. The cork seal may be shot.

Edited June 26, 2015 by crescentfiller

[Procyon]

Well, your pen is usually called a Safety. Tthe model is a 14VS, Under Waterman's naming scheme, the 1 indicates an eye-dropper filler, the 4 is the nib size (most are 2 so yours is slightly larger), V stands for vest (but really means short), and S stands for Safety.
A safety pen is one that is completely sealed when a threaded cap is screwed on over the retracted nib. There is no way for it to leak (theoretically). To fill it you hold it upright, screw the nib down, fill with ink, then screw the nib out and clean it off. Then you are ready to write. When the nib is extended, the pen seals itself.

 

At this point your seals no doubt need replacing. Not having a cap would make actually using a safety pen problematic. You might be able to find a BHR cap that would work on your pen, but finding a cap matching the overlay is probably impossible. This doesn't look like a standard Waterman overlay. It looks more like one of those added by Europeans to an American-made pen.

[Parcival]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Waterman-w8212-GFT-Safety-Pen-Cap-imprinted-around-cap-Ideal-Fountain-Pen-Part-/131541945517?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea082ccad

 

You should ask the seller for the internal diameter of the cap

[crescentfiller]

The listing does not say what size this is.

 

http://www.vintagewatermanpens.com/product/waterman-w16138-safety-cap-npt-globe-clip/

[Cepasaccus]

This should be one of the first generation Waterman's safety pens due to the threading at the end. The nib should rotate in this case with the knob at the end. Then the pen was produced around 1908. The newest patent date on my pen is 1903.

 

http://www.penexchange.de/pen-wiki/index.php/Datei:Waterman%27s_Ideal_12S_1ste_Generation.jpg

 

Here is the guide how to use this pen:

 

http://www.penexchange.de/pen-wiki/index.php/Datei:Waterman-Anleitung-UK-1924.png

 

Cepasaccus

[Vintagepens]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Waterman-w8212-GFT-Safety-Pen-Cap-imprinted-around-cap-Ideal-Fountain-Pen-Part-/131541945517?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1ea082ccad

 

You should ask the seller for the internal diameter of the cap

 

From the proportions, it is a 1/2 size cap -- too slender for the OP's barrel.

The eBay cap also has a gold filled overlay, not the silver of the OP's overlay.