Dating Parker 75 Pens

[mitto]

Fantastic reference. Thank you.

 

My 75 is (plastic, ?, blank, flat, narrow), so I guess T5.

 

 

Can someone post examples of long and short grip ridges for comparison? (There was a link earlier in the thread but it doesn't work now.)

Here they are:

 

It is to be noted that both the pens are 0 marked, narrow band, front engraving and flat tassie.

 

Here:

Edited November 1, 2015 by mitto

[catbert]

Thanks, mitto. Looks like I have the short grip ridges, so definitely T5.

My nib has a letter designation (XF) rather than a number code. Would that be consistent with a 1971 pen (assuming the nib is original to the pen)?

[mitto]

Thanks, mitto. Looks like I have the short grip ridges, so definitely T5.

My nib has a letter designation (XF) rather than a number code. Would that be consistent with a 1971 pen (assuming the nib is original to the pen)?

Yes. Consistent.

[catbert]

Thanks again, mitto.

I’ve had my 75 for years but knew next to nothing about it until I came here.

[mitto]

Thanks again, mitto.

 

I’ve had my 75 for years but knew next to nothing about it until I came here.

You are welcome. That is the benefit of being part of the FPN.

[Maine Vintner]

The inscription on the feed denotes the nib/tip size. On earlier 75 the tip size was in numbers. On later pens the same was in letters as F, M etc.

Ah, thank you.

[shinigami]

I've found an inconsistency in one of my pens:

 

 

 

 

Narrow cap band, front engraving and 1980 date code. By the way, it has dished tassies.

 

 

 

 

whoa this pen looks so good how much do they cost ?

[mitto]

whoa this pen looks so good how much do they cost ?

Well, not too much. Just 100+.

[idazle]

Other thoughts:

 

Hallmarks, makers marks, and assay marks are for specific markets and could appear on a pen of any age, so unlikely to be useful for dating. Might be a separate interesting topic though.

 

In concur with this. The chart was initially thought of as a means to clasify relatively early (<1975) mainstream Parker 75 pens made in the USA which are probably the best represented in most collections. I added the traits of hallmarked pens for the UK market to oblige some FPN members who seemed to be focused on those pens. But that was not the original idea, nor including the specificities of pens produced in the USA for the French market.

 

Thanks for your comments and contributions. However I would like to know more about the way you come up with your chart and define whether a particular characteristic belonged to one T period or the next.

 

Carlos

[gregglee]

I looked at each pairings of parts to see what combinations exist (= have been reported). From that I could determine if the changes overlapped. And if not also knowing which part type preceded the other, I could determine which change came first. Then chain those results together to get the complete sequence.

For example the pairing of ring versus tassie in a matrix.  yes means the
combination exists.
        ring  zero   blank
tassie
flat          yes      yes
dish          yes      yes 
 
Since all four combinations exist, then both kinds of rings and both kinds
of tassies were feeding production at the same time.  Overlap. 
======================================== 
tassie versus band
       tassie  flat   dish
band
narrow          yes    yes
wide             no    yes 
 
Because one combination does not exist, the changes don't overlap.  
Because there is no flat plus wide, tassies changed completely to dish
before wide bands began. 
=========================================== 
I didn't get any of these but if the previous example had been
       tassie  flat   dish
band
narrow         yes    no
wide            no   yes
 
That would mean a simultaneous change of both parts with zero overlap.  
Zero overlap meaning that no old part types of either part entered the
production line after the new part types were introduced.

Note: once I had done some pairs, others were logically excluded, so I didn't have to do every possible combination.

e.g Since thread change precedes grip ridge change and grip ridge change precedes section ring change, thread change must precede section ring change.

Edited November 2, 2015 by gregglee

[mitto]

Interesting, gregglee. But what about the inconsistency in the example posted by icardoth?

[gregglee]

Interesting, gregglee. But what about the inconsistency in the example posted by icardoth?

I'll look for the post. In this thread I assume.

 

Separately does some of my text in previous post look colored? It does on my monitor. I didn't specify any text color. I only used code format to lock in text alignment.

 

And I don't see an edit button on that post to let me look at it.

Edited November 3, 2015 by gregglee

[gregglee]

Interesting, gregglee. But what about the inconsistency in the example posted by icardoth?

I only found one from icardoth. As idazle noted after the original post, that pen actually has a wide band. Wide plus dished is consistent with the chart starting at T7. icardoth didn't state the section characteristics, but if consistent with chart they "should be" plastic short blank..

[gregglee]

Here they are:20151101_093957_LLS-1.jpg

 

 

 

Off topic but the pen section on the on the right looks like it has some shrinkage from soaking in alcohol.

Edited November 3, 2015 by gregglee

[mitto]

20151101_093957_LLS-1.jpg

 

Off topic but the pen section on the on the right looks like it has some shrinkage from soaking in alcohol.

Not so. It is just reflection. See the third picture. Edited November 3, 2015 by mitto

[mitto]

I only found one from icardoth. As idazle noted after the original post, that pen actually has a wide band. Wide plus dished is consistent with the chart starting at T7. icardoth didn't state the section characteristics, but if consistent with chart they "should be" plastic short blank..

It dosn't look to be wide. Wide band shouldn't have front engraving.

[gregglee]

Not so. It is just reflection. See the third picture.

Gap between ring and plastic. Wiggles in grip ridge line.

[mitto]

I only found one from icardoth. As idazle noted after the original post, that pen actually has a wide band. Wide plus dished is consistent with the chart starting at T7. icardoth didn't state the section characteristics, but if consistent with chart they "should be" plastic short blank..

Gap between ring and plastic. Wiggles in grip ridge line.

No gap. Just reflection.

 

 

 

It is the same pen. Sorry for the night time picture. It is 21.25 hrs here.

Edited November 3, 2015 by mitto

[shinigami]

wow these pens look so good i defenetly want to buy one are they good reliable daily writers ? im not much of a collector i enjoy writing with my pens

i found some pictures with sexy red "body" is it the same model or are those custom ?
http://penpenpen.weebly.com/parker-75-burgundy.html
http://vintagepencollectibles.com/Parker_Pens.html

Edited November 3, 2015 by shinigami

[mitto]

Gap between ring and plastic. Wiggles in grip ridge line.

 

Yes, gregglee, I have just rechecked the pen. The grip ridge lines are wavy by design. It is the only pen having grip ridge lines like that among seven of my cisele 75s.

Edited November 3, 2015 by mitto