What Does This Hallmark Mean On Dunhill Pen?

[H1N]

Hello

Again, it's another Pen comes from late 70s or 80s,ballpoint, Dunhill with (unknown hallmark according to me) at the middle on the right side and (Germany) on the other side

the pictures below will describe it better than me.

So, any other information will be a good step to complete what we started about preparing to make a traditional showroom in our town.

Thank You

H1N

Edited August 3, 2014 by H1N

[plumista]

If you mean what appears in your second picture, as far as I know "A/D" means simply Alfred Dunhill, the first and last names of the founder and original owner of the brand, stamped on cap lip for that specific model.

 

On the other side, please note that this stamping/engraving is not really a "hallmark", since this term is an official and legal one, used only for some particular precious metals. In my country it must apply to any solid silver, gold or platinum piece intended for sale, and it must specify the % of that metal in the alloy, the chemical symbol of the metal (according to the periodical table of elements) and probably some other coded information (letters, animals, symbols) that refer to location of workshop, authentification approval, year of production and so on. Therefore, not applicable to platings of any kind.

 

Following this rule, the stamping/engraving "Germany" is just that, a piece of information (it induces the customer to assume the pen is fully made in Germany, but please note it does not read "Made in Germany") the maker thinks will serve his purposes, not a hallmark as for example jewelers use the word.

 

Good luck with your project! All the best!

 

plumista

Edited August 3, 2014 by plumista

[H1N]

If you mean what appears in your second picture, as far as I know "A/D" means simply Alfred Dunhill, the first and last names of the founder and original owner of the brand, stamped on cap lip for that specific model.

 

On the other side, please note that this stamping/engraving is not really a "hallmark", since this term is an official and legal one, used only for some particular precious metals. In my country it must apply to any solid silver, gold or platinum piece intended for sale, and it must specify the % of that metal in the alloy. Not applicable to platings.

 

Following this rule, the stamping/engraving "Germany" is just that, a piece of information (it induces the customer to assume the pen is fully made in Germany, but please note it does not read "Made in Germany") the maker thinks will serve his purposes, not a hallmark as for example jewelers use the word.

 

Good luck with your project! All the best!

 

plumista

Thanks for the wishes, when I said (hallmark) I did mean the second picture only, yes you are right it seems it's a stamp means Alfred Dunhill but still need to know the Date of manufacturing

[soapytwist]

What you have there is the Ballpoint version of the Dunhill Dress Pen from the early 80s. The mark is a jeweller's mark (similar to the StØD mark that you find on modern Montblanc pens, but as plumista says, it doesn't mean you pen is solid gold or silver, but gold plated (the tarnishing bears this out). It's made in Germany because in this era Dunhill had Montblanc make a few of its pen lines, and they made the fountain pen version of this pen, so I would assume that they also made the ballpoint - your refill looks to be Montblanc-sized.

 

Thread discussing the fountain pen HERE

 

This is what it would look like if it had proper hallmarks: http://www.mycollectorscorner.com/classified.php/listing/3893/miscellaneous/dunhill-fpen-dress-pen-argent-massif-limited-edition

 

One quick word of warning - it you are replacing the refill MAKE SURE YOU KEEP THE BLUE PLASTIC PLUG ON THE END OF THE OLD REFILL! Modern MB refills no longer have this plug and you will need to transfer it onto the new refill.

[H1N]

Very detailed, very interesting thank you everyone

but as we are talking about stamps and hallmarks, what do you think about this one on Parker 61 ?

[jar]

 

Very detailed, very interesting thank you everyone

but as we are talking about stamps and hallmarks, what do you think about this one on Parker 61 ?

 

 

It shows 1/10 12K Rolled Gold

[Kaweco]

 

................ It's made in Germany because in this era Dunhill had Montblanc make a few of its pen lines, and they made the fountain pen version of this pen, so I would assume that they also made the ballpoint - your refill looks to be Montblanc-sized.

Hi

I hope that I would not strike down your worldview but the pen was made by Mutschler (Reform), nib included. The overlay possibly had been made by Waldmann.

Kind Regards

Thomas

[soapytwist]

Hi

I hope that I would not strike down your worldview but the pen was made by Mutschler (Reform), nib included. The overlay possibly had been made by Waldmann.

Kind Regards

Thomas

 

Hi Thomas - do you have some evidence for this? I'm asking because:

 

1) the nib is a dead ringer for MB's tried and tested wing nib

2) Dunhill owned Montblanc in the seventies and eighties, and other Montblanc designs were rebadged as Dunhills at this time

3) penparadise has seen these pens being made in the MB factory. See HERE

Edited August 4, 2014 by soapytwist

[Kaweco]

Hello soapytwist

Alas I didn`t find yet the last missing link in my collection. I have only an essay about Mutschler from a former worker there from 1997. I am pretty sure that Mutschler made the nib and feed for Dunhill. As well as nany other wing- type nibs for many other customers. But I possibly can talk to Mutschler to clarify this. I don`t know who penparadise is and about his intrinsic insight into the German fountain pen industries.

Kind Regards

Thomas

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/Thomasnr/mutschlerfremdlieferung_zpsd132b2bc.jpg

[H1N]

Hello soapytwist

Alas I didn`t find yet the last missing link in my collection. I have only an essay about Mutschler from a former worker there from 1997. I am pretty sure that Mutschler made the nib and feed for Dunhill. As well as nany other wing- type nibs for many other customers. But I possibly can talk to Mutschler to clarify this. I don`t know who penparadise is and about his intrinsic insight into the German fountain pen industries.

Kind Regards

Thomas

http://i844.photobucket.com/albums/ab1/Thomasnr/mutschlerfremdlieferung_zpsd132b2bc.jpgH

Hello Kaweco

I hope you find what you're looking for about the missing link in your collection very soon, so may we too will have a benefit of that, good luck

[H1N]

One more question about this pen, what about its shiny color (as the most of Dunhill products has) and what was the reason that caused that stains?

[H1N]

 

It shows 1/10 12K Rolled Gold

Thanks Jar

[H1N]

Hi

I hope that I would not strike down your worldview but the pen was made by Mutschler (Reform), nib included. The overlay possibly had been made by Waldmann.

Kind Regards

Thomas

Best Regards man

Edited August 16, 2014 by H1N

[H1N]

 

Hi Thomas - do you have some evidence for this? I'm asking because:

 

1) the nib is a dead ringer for MB's tried and tested wing nib

2) Dunhill owned Montblanc in the seventies and eighties, and other Montblanc designs were rebadged as Dunhills at this time

3) penparadise has seen these pens being made in the MB factory. See HERE

There is no room for doubt, thx

Edited August 16, 2014 by H1N

[H1N]

Still need to know, what about its shiny color (as the most of Dunhill products has) and what was the reason that caused that stains?

Edited August 16, 2014 by H1N

[soapytwist]

It's because the gold is either plated or rolled, which tarnishes because it isn't solid gold. A wipe with a jeweller's cloth or polishing with a light metal polish (nothing harsh like chrome polish). It will eventually tarnish again, but I find that regular use keeps it at bay for a long period.

[H1N]

Enjoy it

 

 

Long ago, but not so very long ago

The world was different, oh yes it was

You settled down and you built a town and made it live

And you watched it grow

It was your town

Time goes by, time brings changes, you change, too

Nothing comes that you can't handle, so on you go

Never see it coming, the world caves in on you

On your town

Nothing you can do.

Main street isn't main street anymore

Lights don't shine as brightly as they shone before

Tell the truth, lights don't shine at all

In our town

Sun comes up each morning

Just like it's always done

Get up, go to work, start the day,

Open up for business that's never gonna come

As the world rolls by a million miles away

Main street isn't main street anymore

No one seems to need us like they did before

It's hard to find a reason left to stay

But it's our town

Love it anyway

Come what may, it's our town.

Edited August 17, 2014 by H1N

[Bo Bo Olson]

Mutschler certainly made nibs for many more pen companies than I would have ever imagined in my wildest dreams.

Ignorance is such a bliss.

 

I have a later cheap made 'gold' plated metal top-plastic bottom Reform.

It shocked me in it had a 'flexi/maxi-semi-flex spade nib.

Bought it for the nib.

 

In no one talks about my nice semi-flex or flexi spade nib, I'd thought them more stiff so never bought any.....buying this pen only because I had some Reform pens.

 

Since then I also have a semi-hooded Boehler Cartridge pen with a semi-flex. In that pen could be after Degussa (1970,) it's nib could also be Mutschler.

Edited August 19, 2014 by Bo Bo Olson

[H1N]

Mutschler certainly made nibs for many more pen companies than I would have ever imagined in my wildest dreams.

Ignorance is such a bliss.

 

I have a later cheap made 'gold' plated metal top-plastic bottom Reform.

It shocked me in it had a 'flexi/maxi-semi-flex spade nib.

Bought it for the nib.

 

In no one talks about my nice semi-flex or flexi spade nib, I'd thought them more stiff so never bought any.....buying this pen only because I had some Reform pens.

 

Since then I also have a semi-hooded Boehler Cartridge pen with a semi-flex. In that pen could be after Degussa (1970,) it's nib could also be Mutschler.

wow, it;s a kind of passion as many of members have on here, nice to know that

[H1N]

To say the truth, I have a non small number of variety fountain pens from different mark, different times, but I fall in love with this dunhill pen, it's color, the shape even the stains on it tell a story,

it's more than a masterpiece, at least according to me...Cheers!