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Since I just finished bumping into a post in the thread on Montblanc's Leonardo (Red Chalk) where that ink was claimed to be Diamine's Ancient Copper, I thought it must be easy to disprove same. (For me personally, there is no way that they can be the same, just like there's no use in saying that Ford and Chev are the same.) So, I whipped out my equipment for a paper chromatography, ran it and in the meantime fooled around with a few other tools.

 

A. Tools: as noted below using Noodler's Blue (just their plain ol' "Blue", a colour I love but a smeariness I hate). Paper is Clairefontaine's GraF it 90g Sketch 41 lb.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/Leonardo_1.jpg

 

As you can see, they are two completely different colours. This Diamine is also a much more saturated ink and yields a much higher flow.

 

B. Paper chromatography. Carried out as usual. (RC = Red Chalk, to the left, and AC = Ancient Copper, to the right.)

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/Leonardo_2.jpg

 

I don't really favour any of these two but it sure is fun comparing these things.

 

Mike

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You know, I just might try and raise me a crop of dental floss.

But I digress: just move me to Montana.

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How does it/they compare to Noodler's Black Swan in English Roses? And yes...I followed you here. ;)

 

Same player shoots again. Again2, RC = Red Chalk, AC = Ancient Copper, ENG = Noodler's Black Swan in English Roses, and AUS = Noodler's Black Swan in Australian Roses.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/Leonardo_3.jpg

AIYDK it's now even harder to describe. I'd say that the English has a chance to compare with the first two because there is a lot of red, but other components are missing. I included Australian simply because of its second last name. IYAM all four are completely different critters, however you look at things. FWIW I find it interesting that as regards flow plus intensity and/or saturation, within each pair, there are the "superiors" Ancient Copper > Red Chalk and Australian > English.

 

OTOH a comparison within each pair (seen chromatographically):

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/Leonardo_4.jpg

might seem to be trying to suggest that AUS has more to do with RC, whereas ENG is practically the reciprocal of AC.

 

Is that a nice explanation as to how they compare?

 

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You know, I just might try and raise me a crop of dental floss.

But I digress: just move me to Montana.

Raisin' it up, waxen it down, in a little white box that you can sell uptown? Sure, but what is it in that box? A salamander??

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Thanks for the terrific comparison...I can actually see differences in the scan. My bottle of Chalk is on the way, and what with with BSIER in TWO pens, it should be fun to play around.

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My other pen is a Montblanc.

 

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You know, I just might try and raise me a crop of dental floss.

But I digress: just move me to Montana.

hahaaaa....

isnt there some way i can 'like' this post....or did i just do that

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Raisin' it up, waxen it down, in a little white box that you can sell uptown? Sure, but what is it in that box? A salamander??

And sometime I'm so cross I get Bongo Fury.

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And sometime I'm so cross I get Bongo Fury.

Seriously, since you have a lot of contact to the Diamine company itself, why not ask them if -- alongside their Musicians' and Flowers' 10-packs -- they bring out next year a 100-pack of these stunning colours?

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Seriously, since you have a lot of contact to the Diamine company itself, why not ask them if -- alongside their Musicians' and Flowers' 10-packs -- they bring out next year a 100-pack of these stunning colours?

And I could even grow fins - all six of them.

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Same player shoots again. Again2, RC = Red Chalk, AC = Ancient Copper, ENG = Noodler's Black Swan in English Roses, and AUS = Noodler's Black Swan in Australian Roses.

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/Leonardo_3.jpg

AIYDK it's now even harder to describe. I'd say that the English has a chance to compare with the first two because there is a lot of red, but other components are missing. I included Australian simply because of its second last name. IYAM all four are completely different critters, however you look at things. FWIW I find it interesting that as regards flow plus intensity and/or saturation, within each pair, there are the "superiors" Ancient Copper > Red Chalk and Australian > English.

 

OTOH a comparison within each pair (seen chromatographically):

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu264/peli46/Leonardo_4.jpg

might seem to be trying to suggest that AUS has more to do with RC, whereas ENG is practically the reciprocal of AC.

 

Is that a nice explanation as to how they compare?

 

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Awesome add ins that now explain why I prefer the Oz to the English. Really appreciate it.

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Raisin' it up, waxen it down, in a little white box that you can sell uptown? Sure, but what is it in that box? A salamander??

Frank Zappa???

Intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function.

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Frank Zappa???

What? You mean it's Frank Zappa who's in that box?

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What? You mean it's Frank Zappa who's in that box?

And there's me thinking it was Larry! What a wild man he was/is.

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What? You mean it's Frank Zappa who's in that box?

Frank Zappa lyrics:

 

I might be movin' to Montana soon

Just to raise me up a crop of Dental Floss

Raisin' it up

Waxen it down

In a little white box

I can sell uptown

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Frank Zappa lyrics:

 

I might be movin' to Montana soon

Just to raise me up a crop of Dental Floss

Raisin' it up

Waxen it down

In a little white box

I can sell uptown

Wonderful! And I used to be a dancin' fool too.

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