Question About Color Shift In Ink

[gerigo]

Hey guys

 

Is it possible for an ink to shift from one color to another in a span of days?

 

I am specifically talking about Noodler's Golden Brown in a transparent Noodler's Nib Creaper Flex pen. I have had this ink for maybe about 2 months. This was purchased new [as far as I know] at a B&M store. The pen was also new, bought about 3 weeks ago, and filled with this ink after the obligatory initial wash. In the beginning, it was the lovely color with the wonderful shading that people rave about.

 

About 3-4 days ago, I noticed the ink has turned a distinct purple shade when viewed through the transparent barrel of the pen, but still wrote like the Golden Brown I am familiar with. Today it writes like JHerbin's Lie De The. Another words a much darker chocolate color.

 

What gives? Should I toss the bottle or accept the fact the ink is now a dark brown.

 

 

[RudyR]

My Iroshizuku Momiji does a color shift when in a pen for a week. It shifts from a pinkish red when fresh from the bottle to reddish Bordeaux when it ages. Kinda like autumn leaves on a japanese maple, hence the name, Autumn Leaves (Momiji).

[Centopar]

Does the Momiji look different on paper when fresh out of the bottle and when it's been in your pen for a while? (I was mulling buying a bottle - wish the Ishorizuku inks weren't so expensive!)

[amberleadavis]

I've experienced color shifts like you described when I've been unable to get all the ink out of the pen or feed.

 

Can you try the ink in a different pen? Or even put some in a vial and use a dip pen today and in a few days. I suspect that some ink was lurking in the pen somewhere and it mixed. My Ahab has been guilty of that problem multiple times. It just took a hot pink Tsvetayna and when I was first writing, the ink in the feed was the pink, then the writing became a very blue purple now its a pink purple. I also had a similar problem with a Vac 700 that flushed clean but it really wasn't.

[RudyR]

Does the Momiji look different on paper when fresh out of the bottle and when it's been in your pen for a while? (I was mulling buying a bottle - wish the Ishorizuku inks weren't so expensive!)

 

Yes it does. I suspect its oxidization and have read other post on this forum where this has happened before with other inks. Oxidization is what makes all the magic happen with Iron Gall inks. Also if you want to try it without the big expense, Goulet Pens has samples for sale. As Amber has alluded to, be real thorough when you rinse your pen out. If you are not familiar with how to rinse your pen out properly, again, the Goulet Pen site has videos demonstrating proper pen flushing.

Edited September 13, 2013 by RudyR

[Centopar]

Heh - I am the queen of flushing! Goulet isn't an option for me, sadly; I'm in the UK and the postage is prohibitive. Ho hum.

[amberleadavis]

Here is a thread about my discovery that my Vac 700 - despite flushing clear (and looking stained), still wasn't really clean.

 

 

Specifically, look how this ink "shifted" during the few days of use.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Inklings/slides/2013-Ink_501.jpg

 

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Inklings/slides/2013-Ink_502.jpg

 

 

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Inklings/slides/2013-Ink_503.jpg

 

 

 

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Inklings/slides/2013-Ink_504.jpg

 

Now consider that Diamine Crimson should look like this:

 

[ac12]

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If you are not familiar with how to rinse your pen out properly, again, the Goulet Pen site has videos demonstrating proper pen flushing.

 

Not quite. Brian only covers flushing the pen.

 

What Brian does not cover is how to clean the ink out of the gills or other ink storage area/reservoir on the feed.

This is much more time consuming and difficult, because the feed reservoir is out of the water path when you flush. Think of it like a "side room" that is holding ink.

On some pens I have spent a week of soaking, flushing and blotting to draw out the ink from the feed reservoir.

I found that an ultrasonic cleaner does wonders, but it still can't get all the ink out of some of those feeds, while the feed is still in the section.

 

It was much easier to clean pens, where I could take the feed out of the section and separate the nib. It was much easier to clean the reservoir in the feed and the collector (in Parker pens).

[amberleadavis]

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Not quite. Brian only covers flushing the pen.

 

What Brian does not cover is how to clean the ink out of the gills or other ink storage area/reservoir on the feed.

This is much more time consuming and difficult, because the feed reservoir is out of the water path when you flush. Think of it like a "side room" that is holding ink.

On some pens I have spent a week of soaking, flushing and blotting to draw out the ink from the feed reservoir.

I found that an ultrasonic cleaner does wonders, but it still can't get all the ink out of some of those feeds, while the feed is still in the section.

 

It was much easier to clean pens, where I could take the feed out of the section and separate the nib. It was much easier to clean the reservoir in the feed and the collector (in Parker pens).

 

 

Thank you for the explanation.

[RudyR]

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Not quite. Brian only covers flushing the pen.

 

What Brian does not cover is how to clean the ink out of the gills or other ink storage area/reservoir on the feed.

This is much more time consuming and difficult, because the feed reservoir is out of the water path when you flush. Think of it like a "side room" that is holding ink.

On some pens I have spent a week of soaking, flushing and blotting to draw out the ink from the feed reservoir.

I found that an ultrasonic cleaner does wonders, but it still can't get all the ink out of some of those feeds, while the feed is still in the section.

 

It was much easier to clean pens, where I could take the feed out of the section and separate the nib. It was much easier to clean the reservoir in the feed and the collector (in Parker pens).

 

True but if you cant get the ink out after flushing, soaking, blotting, using ultrasound, chemical pen flush, laser guns or nuclear weapons, do you really think using a different ink is going to make that much chance of mixing with the residual ink (so safely tucked away and happy never to come out even after all is said and done and yes, this sentence is very long but I am experimenting).

 

A very good flush should, in most cases (excluding some Noodlers, Diamine or Private reserve inks) be enough.

Edited September 15, 2013 by RudyR

[amberleadavis]

 

True but if you cant get the ink out after flushing, soaking, blotting, using ultrasound, chemical pen flush, laser guns or nuclear weapons, do you really think using a different ink is going to make that much chance of mixing with the residual ink (so safely tucked away and happy never to come out even after all is said and done and yes, this sentence is very long but I am experimenting).

 

A very good flush should, in most cases (excluding some Noodlers, Diamine or Private reserve inks) be enough.

 

 

Uh, yeah, I do. I've found it to be true.

See the thread here.

 

This Vac 700 was washed, flushed, had pen flush, ultra-sonic cleaning and even flushed with ammonia solution. The pen flushed clean, but had visible stains. After rotations with red inks, yes, the pen looks better.

 

Here is a picture after a rinse between red inks, but it will show you the stains.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Ink-Between/slides/2013-Pen_503.jpg

 

 

 

And here is the same pen after two more fills of red ink:

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/Ink-Between/slides/2013-Pen_505.jpg

 

 

 

 

Here it is on the 9th.

 

http://sheismylawyer.com/She_Thinks_In_Ink/TWSBIs/slides/2013-Pen_515.jpg

 

Today it is almost completely stain free.