Pilot Super 200 Cartridge

[Hex]

I have a few Pilot Super pens that I got as part of a grab bag. A 150 and 2, 200s.

I have been trying to make them usable but the standard Pilot cartridge is really a difficult fit and doesn't slide on all the way as you can see from the photo. Normally it will slide on far enough to penetrate the seal. Not on these pens.

 

The original filling mechanism was a long silver tube that held a sac. I think that I would prefer to stick to modern cartridges and converters if I can find one to fit.

They both seem to have a too narrow diameter.

Was there a special cartridge for these pens ?

I also read that a CON-W was the proper converter but they too seem to be too narrow.

 

The pictures show the cartridge jammed on and one of the original silver tube filling things.

 

Any suggestions and thanks .

[stan]

The Pilot Super was not designed for cartridges or converters as the model pre-dates their use.

 

It may be that you have damaged the pen. Carefully remove the cartridge and inspect the end of the section for ANY missing or damaged parts.

 

To use your pen will require a sac of appropriate size installed over the male end of the section. Assuming the metal sleeve with the little switch is not damaged and fits, your pen should write. Before re-installing the metal sleeve, ensure the switch moves back and forth. There is a piece of metal inside the sleeve that is pressed against the sac when the switch is moved. This should move with a slight spring. Often when sacs deteriorate residue remains inside the sleeve and this will need to be removed with a brush.

 

One you make those repairs, you should have a nice pen.

 

http://ryojusen-pens.com/resources/Pilot+Super+Tray+2.JPG

[Hex]

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Edited January 14, 2013 by Hex

[Hex]

The Pilot Super was not designed for cartridges or converters as the model pre-dates their use.

 

It may be that you have damaged the pen. Carefully remove the cartridge and inspect the end of the section for ANY missing or damaged parts.

 

To use your pen will require a sac of appropriate size installed over the male end of the section. Assuming the metal sleeve with the little switch is not damaged and fits, your pen should write. Before re-installing the metal sleeve, ensure the switch moves back and forth. There is a piece of metal inside the sleeve that is pressed against the sac when the switch is moved. This should move with a slight spring. Often when sacs deteriorate residue remains inside the sleeve and this will need to be removed with a brush.

 

One you make those repairs, you should have a nice pen.

 

http://ryojusen-pens.com/resources/Pilot+Super+Tray+2.JPG

Thank you Stan and I was afraid of that. I tried fitting a sac into the metal tube and the smallest that I had was a #14, and it was too fat. The little switch works well and with the tube, generates quite a vacuum. It sure won't hold much ink though.

Surprisingly, the nib has quite a bit of flex.

[stan]

Pilot Supers are considered by Mas Sunami in his and Lambrou's FPOJ to be 'highly collectible.' And, for several reasons. The nibs come in a good variety of types and sizes and are all high quality. They are durable. Of classic design. And, good writers. They also come in a real good variety of colors, models, bands, etc. There are gold filled and solid gold caps, if you look hard enough. Supers have become harder to find in excellent-to-new condition and, on Yahoo Japan, prices have increased steadily over the past several years.

 

From my experience, they hold enough ink. One I occasionally use lasts two days or more before a refill. It might be a stingy feed. You should use a sac that barely fits inside the tube. Sorry,, I cannot give you a size. I have a bunch i use for repair and they do not have numbers.

[Hex]

As far as identifying these pens, were they the only ones to use that tube ?

IE, if I see the tube, by definition is it a super ?

 

And thanks again

[zanio]

I have seen several Pilot pens with that tube. All of them were actually Super, different models but Super: from the '50s and probably '60s.

[Excoriar]

How does one remove the original silver tube? Is it a straight pull out? Will I require much force? I am trying to replace the sac in my 200. Thank you.

[zanio]

You can pull it out.

[CMG]

Glad to have found this thread. How would someone go about getting one of these fixed? I have a Pilot Super 200 Tokyo 1964 that I inherited from my grandfather. It is a beautiful pen but I do not have the filling system at all. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you!

[Number99]

On 7/18/2023 at 12:21 AM, CMG said:

Glad to have found this thread. How would someone go about getting one of these fixed? I have a Pilot Super 200 Tokyo 1964 that I inherited from my grandfather. It is a beautiful pen but I do not have the filling system at all. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you!

My Elite(E)200 is a Pilot Super 200 transit type, basically the same as the Super 200, but I was able to install a CON-40. The pen works fine. This is a non-recommended recovery method when there is no pipe lever filler system.

 

Please read this.

 

 

This is for information only.

 

I have not tried it. The linked youtube program explains the Super 150 using the same filler, not the Super 200. There is an equally deprecated recovery method using Sailor cartridges and silicone sacks that could also be applied.

 

It is in Japanese, but you can just look at the screen. (from about 5 minutes in.)

 

I have discussed this outside of the forum before, but the Pilot Super, Elite of these days allow many variations, including the shape of the nipple, and I am not sure of the classification rules for them. Also, some people say that there are many variants of pens made by the Tokyo Shimura factory.

So, if the types were different, these recovery methods might not be compatible. In that case, perhaps there is another way.

 

We wish you good luck.

 

*Caution.

If it is not a C/C filler system, the feed/collector is not fixed and will come out when pulled. If it comes out, reinsert it in the correct direction. (See link for my instructions.)

 

Postscript.

The above recovery method assumes that the parts on the filler side are missing and the parts on the feed/collector/section projection side remain.

Edited July 19, 2023 by Number99

[CMG]

On 7/19/2023 at 7:49 AM, Number99 said:

My Elite(E)200 is a Pilot Super 200 transit type, basically the same as the Super 200, but I was able to install a CON-40. The pen works fine. This is a non-recommended recovery method when there is no pipe lever filler system.

 

Please read this.

 

 

This is for information only.

 

I have not tried it. The linked youtube program explains the Super 150 using the same filler, not the Super 200. There is an equally deprecated recovery method using Sailor cartridges and silicone sacks that could also be applied.

 

It is in Japanese, but you can just look at the screen. (from about 5 minutes in.)

 

I have discussed this outside of the forum before, but the Pilot Super, Elite of these days allow many variations, including the shape of the nipple, and I am not sure of the classification rules for them. Also, some people say that there are many variants of pens made by the Tokyo Shimura factory.

So, if the types were different, these recovery methods might not be compatible. In that case, perhaps there is another way.

 

We wish you good luck.

 

*Caution.

If it is not a C/C filler system, the feed/collector is not fixed and will come out when pulled. If it comes out, reinsert it in the correct direction. (See link for my instructions.)

 

Postscript.

The above recovery method assumes that the parts on the filler side are missing and the parts on the feed/collector/section projection side remain.

Thank you for the information. I guess I need to find that little rubber grommet that hos between the feed and the converter. looks like Ill need to go buy a parts pen that has it intact. Again thank you!

[Number99]

16 hours ago, CMG said:

Thank you for the information. I guess I need to find that little rubber grommet that hos between the feed and the converter. looks like Ill need to go buy a parts pen that has it intact. Again thank you!

I do not collect these pens and only own two Pilot Supers of different eras, so I have no knowledge of parts compatibility.

The above recovery method assumes the use of existing parts from that pen itself.

Therefore, I have not checked if all Pilot Super 200 parts are compatible.

 

From the following blog post, it is possible to see disassembled images of the three Pilot Super 200 units.

You can see that all three have slightly different parts.

 

http://blog.livedoor.jp/nekopen23/archives/46197200.html

 

https://ameblo.jp/kamisama-samasama/entry-12653301175.html

 

http://blog.livedoor.jp/nekopen23/archives/42762257.html

 

Therefore, we need to choose carefully and reliably when using parts pens.

 

[PithyProlix]

If the filler tube switch does not work then suggest removing it, perhaps putting it in your parts box, and just putting on a sac that fits the feed. The sac can then be squeezed directly with your fingers to fill it - easy peasy. (But, except for really interesting fillers, e. g. the bellows filter found on a few vintage Pilots, the Sheaffer snorkel, and the Parker 61 capillary filter, I'm not a purist - after all, the Super's filler is only visible when the pen is open. Plus that switch filler is damn hard to repair if the spring is dislodged.)