Is The Omas Ogiva Guilloche "rare"?

[sumgaikid]

I have the irking feeling we have had this before, only the celluloid was red that time! But don't mind me...

 

Had what before? Paul's looking for an Ogiva and we're giving him options in and around the price he quoted for a Guilloche.

 

For a big resin Ogiva, I think I'd look for a MOMA (with 3 thin bands) myself.

 

The Ogiva Autunno was, pre-2005, the only standard (non-LE, non-commissioned) big modern Ogiva Omas ever made in celluloid -- as far as I know. (Armando Simoni club in Bologna did a black Lucens version.)

 

Mini celluloid Ogivas in blue and black gold came out a few years ago. It wasn't until Marco of Novelli commissioned Ogivas at the end of 2012 that we finally see other big Ogivas in celluloid. So the celluloid options for modern Ogiva are quite limited. I need to dig out my Autunnos, but they might actually be shorter than Marco's. My Wild Ogiva looks and feels quite large like a resin Ogiva. All modern old-style Omas celluloid pens are slightly smaller their resin cousins.

 

If you want vintage Ogivas, we can go there too. But the big ones are hard to come, and anything other than black hurts. Pearl gray is the most common, which is all I have, although I have seen other celluloid colors. A pearl gray celluloid Ogiva shouldn't be too hard to imagine. Although the vintage pens have more radical tapering -- the tapering starts sooner -- and there's no step for the cap.

 

Eric,the MOMA Ogiva is another one I'd like to add to my small Omas stable.............

 

 

 

John

[peterpen53]

I have the irking feeling we have had this before, only the celluloid was red that time! But don't mind me...

 

Had what before? Paul's looking for an Ogiva and we're giving him options in and around the price he quoted for a Guilloche.

 

For a big resin Ogiva, I think I'd look for a MOMA (with 3 thin bands) myself.

 

The Ogiva Autunno was, pre-2005, the only standard (non-LE, non-commissioned) big modern Ogiva Omas ever made in celluloid -- as far as I know. (Armando Simoni club in Bologna did a black Lucens version.)

 

Mini celluloid Ogivas in blue and black gold came out a few years ago. It wasn't until Marco of Novelli commissioned Ogivas at the end of 2012 that we finally see other big Ogivas in celluloid. So the celluloid options for modern Ogiva are quite limited. I need to dig out my Autunnos, but they might actually be shorter than Marco's. My Wild Ogiva looks and feels quite large like a resin Ogiva. All modern old-style Omas celluloid pens are slightly smaller their resin cousins.

 

If you want vintage Ogivas, we can go there too. But the big ones are hard to come, and anything other than black hurts. Pearl gray is the most common, which is all I have, although I have seen other celluloid colors. A pearl gray celluloid Ogiva shouldn't be too hard to imagine. Although the vintage pens have more radical tapering -- the tapering starts sooner -- and there's no step for the cap.

 

Apparently my command of English is not subtle enough to convey my sense of humour.

 

Anyway, since some of you mentioned the MoMA (sorry about the phone camera):

 

 

And Paul, the pen in front is a Guilloche although the camera did not pick that up very well.

 

Detail of the nib on the Herman Hesse:

 

 

Don't ever post this one, the sterling cap is heavier than the body of the pen itself.

[sumgaikid]

Nice pens,pp53!

 

I've seen the MOMA in red in a smaller size as well as black. The Hesse

I've also seen before,though I'm not crazy about metal capped pens.

 

To each their own......

 

 

John

[eric47]

Apparently my command of English is not subtle enough to convey my sense of humour.

 

No, it actually is. I was playing it straight and just joking and messing with you.

 

Nice set of Ogivas. Is that an HT MOMA? I only have the yellow gold version.

 

Oh, by the way, Letizia's selling a big first version 557/F from the 50s. Before it disappears, you can take a look at what a vintage Ogiva piston filler looks like:

http://www.fountainp...oversize-1950s/

Edited January 7, 2013 by eric47

[sumgaikid]

Apparently my command of English is not subtle enough to convey my sense of humour.

 

No, it actually is. I was playing it straight and just joking and messing with you.

 

Nice set of Ogivas. Is that an HT MOMA? I only have the yellow gold version.

 

Oh, by the way, Letizia's selling a big first version 557/F from the 50s. Before it disappears, you can take a look at what a vintage Ogiva piston filler looks like:

http://www.fountainp...oversize-1950s/

 

I saw that one........doesn't that have an ink window that could be a problem?

 

 

John

[Paul Raposo]

And Paul, the pen in front is a Guilloche although the camera did not pick that up very well.

Thanks for that picture, peterpen53 That was the one I was looking at.

[peterpen53]

Nice pens,pp53!

 

I've seen the MOMA in red in a smaller size as well as black. The Hesse

I've also seen before,though I'm not crazy about metal capped pens.

 

To each their own......

 

 

John

 

Thanks, John. The attraction of that sterling cap is the inscription of a quote by Hesse, saying "Ohne Schrift gibt es nicht den Begriff der Menschheit", which I'll liberally translate as "Without writing, one cannot have an understanding of Humanity". I got it at a real bargain when Akkerman was clearing some old stock quite a few years ago. And I do like the Ogiva form factor.

 

Apparently my command of English is not subtle enough to convey my sense of humour.

 

No, it actually is. I was playing it straight and just joking and messing with you.

 

Nice set of Ogivas. Is that an HT MOMA? I only have the yellow gold version.

 

 

Oh dear, did I fall for that again?

 

Yes, Eric, that is an HT MoMA. I prefer white metal if i can get it. In fact I only became aware there was a yellow gold one long after I had bought it.

 

And Paul, the pen in front is a Guilloche although the camera did not pick that up very well.

Thanks for that picture, peterpen53 That was the one I was looking at.

 

You're very welcome, Paul. Of course it's still a very nice pen (after all, it is an Omas) but as said, I think $400 would have been a bit on the wild side.

[Paul Raposo]

Thanks for that picture, peterpen53 That was the one I was looking at.

You're very welcome, Paul. Of course it's still a very nice pen (after all, it is an Omas) but as said, I think $400 would have been a bit on the wild side.

Truthfully? It was going to be $465 :embarrassed_smile: Like I wrote above, what was I thinking? Glad I snapped out of it. I would have been regretting it in light of yesterdays find.

[eric47]

I saw that one........doesn't that have an ink window that could be a problem?

 

I take it you're alluding to the uneven shrinkage that can occur on the vintage pens with ink windows. That is, the ink windows can shrink more than the barrels, which then causes issues with cork seal since it has to pass through different diameters.

 

That can be a problem, although by now if the pen isn't showing it then it's unlikely you'll see it going forward. If the pen is still original, then after 60 years a good part of the shrinkage has already taken place.

 

Some vintage Omas pens have a complete transparent "tube" that forms the ink windows; other pens have transparent slits. I believe (can't say for sure) that the slits are cut outs -- they're not painted like some vintage MB. If that is right, big if then I suspect that the cut outs might be more stable.

 

Also it's not uncommon to see pens with that have cracked and damaged transparent ink windows -- usually on unrestored pen or ones found in the wild. But in the hands of a capable restorer those can be replaced. I had that done on an Omas.

Edited January 9, 2013 by eric47

[peterpen53]

Thanks for that picture, peterpen53 That was the one I was looking at.

You're very welcome, Paul. Of course it's still a very nice pen (after all, it is an Omas) but as said, I think $400 would have been a bit on the wild side.

Truthfully? It was going to be $465 :embarrassed_smile: Like I wrote above, what was I thinking? Glad I snapped out of it. I would have been regretting it in light of yesterdays find.

 

Someone must have REALLY liked it.

[youstruckgold]

On the Autunno's I have the gold and silver, and love them both but would agree with Eric that the gold is the one that best captures the celluloid. I also have an Ogiva in Silver from around 2001 (called a S2001 - Eric might help here). It looks like this:

 

 

 

http://youstruckgold.smugmug.com/Other/Omas/i-r2TGkRK/0/S/S2001_2-S.jpg

 

and another that has a black guilloche body and silver cap. Both lovely pens and both around the $250 mark

 

[eric47]

I also have an Ogiva in Silver from around 2001 (called a S2001 - Eric might help here). It looks like this:

I used to think that S2001 indicated that the pen was from 2001. However I have catalogs from the late 90s -- 1997 and 98 I'm pretty sure -- that have the S2001 pens.

[lfmarsan]

Hello all,

I've got one of these, namely the one with black resin guilloche barrel with sterling cap. I bought it from NOS one year ago, used it until I run out of the first ink charge (yes, the piston filler gets a lot of ink), but I do not feel confortable because it is too big for my hands so it went to my drawer. I would like to sell it (ebay or similar) and get another Omas (360 maybe). Could you please advise on its fair Price?

[peterpen53]

Very nice pen, old enough to not have the roller clip.

Just a fair warning: if this one is too big for your hand, you would need to look for a 360 mezzo (the smaller one). The large 360 is slightly bigger than an Ogiva.

[jar]

The 360 Mezzo may still be bigger than you like so perhaps an old style Milord might suit you best.

 

http://www.fototime.com/368F86F721487D0/large.jpg

 

In this picture the 360 Mezzo is on the far right and the old style Milord is the Burgundy pen third from the left.

[lfmarsan]

Very nice pen, old enough to not have the roller clip.

Just a fair warning: if this one is too big for your hand, you would need to look for a 360 mezzo (the smaller one). The large 360 is slightly bigger than an Ogiva.

 

Thanks! I've seen the 360 mezzo and is fairly smaller tan my Ogiva. I think it will suit me.

[H. Lime]

Hm. The autunno was the pen that got me (re)started with all of this. Was there a 360 autunno (i.e., using the same celluloid)?

[sumgaikid]

Hm. The autunno was the pen that got me (re)started with all of this. Was there a 360 autunno (i.e., using the same celluloid)?

 

I've never seen one.......have you,Eric?

 

 

John

[georges zaslavsky]

nice pens pp53

[Garageboy]

Was there a large size Red MOMA?