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Can a Lamy Safari fountain pen use Parker cartridges?

 

I have a lot of Parker cartridges, and was thinking of buying a Lamy Safari. As the Lamy comes without a converter, I was wondering whether my existing stock of Parker cartridges will fit it please?

 

 

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It would be wiser to use the proper converter for either a Parker, Aurora, or Lamy fountain pen,

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Regards, Robert

 

 

Dear Robert

Nobody could disagree with that.

I never said one should, what I meant was that one could use the Parker converter with a Lamy Safari.

I have used it, no leaks, no ink flow issues, in fact no problems.

 

BTW the Lamy converters come in 2 shapes, with and without shoulders or flanges (whatever you may call it), named Z24 and Z26, I don't remember which is which! Those with shoulders will not fit feeds without appropriate slits in them. The other willl fit all but may be loose in larger feeds.

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BTW the Lamy converters come in 2 shapes, with and without shoulders or flanges (whatever you may call it), named Z24 and Z26, I don't remember which is which! Those with shoulders will not fit feeds without appropriate slits in them. The other willl fit all but may be loose in larger feeds.

 

The Z24 has a red twist knob and has the shoulder pegs that lock into the Safari section.

The Z26 has a black twist knob and no shoulder pegs. This is the version I used in my Parker 45's with great success. It is actually easier to use than the squeeze style converter that came with both pens.

 

FWIW I detected no discernible difference in resistance or tightness when changing between the Parker and Lamy converters.

 

Now the OP has already ordered a proper Lamy converter for his Safari, so we may never know for sure until someone else tries to use Parker cartridges in their Lamy.

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BTW the Lamy converters come in 2 shapes, with and without shoulders or flanges (whatever you may call it), named Z24 and Z26, I don't remember which is which! Those with shoulders will not fit feeds without appropriate slits in them. The other willl fit all but may be loose in larger feeds.

 

The Z24 has a red twist knob and has the shoulder pegs that lock into the Safari section.

The Z26 has a black twist knob and no shoulder pegs. This is the version I used in my Parker 45's with great success. It is actually easier to use than the squeeze style converter that came with both pens.

 

FWIW I detected no discernible difference in resistance or tightness when changing between the Parker and Lamy converters.

 

Now the OP has already ordered a proper Lamy converter for his Safari, so we may never know for sure until someone else tries to use Parker cartridges in their Lamy.

 

But that has already been answered by two heavy weights above, or parkmanpony and hari317 on that order. As far as I am concerned the question is resolved.

Enjoy your pens

Have a nice day

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One solution for all those Parker cartridges you are trying to use up: When your Lamy cart is empty, get a hypo and suck the ink out of those Parkers and put it into the Lamy cart. Heavyweights out there - are there any problems with that airflow thing using this technique?

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Can a Lamy Safari fountain pen use Parker cartridges?

 

I have a lot of Parker cartridges, and was thinking of buying a Lamy Safari. As the Lamy comes without a converter, I was wondering whether my existing stock of Parker cartridges will fit it please?

 

 

..........................

 

It would be wiser to use the proper converter for either a Parker, Aurora, or Lamy fountain pen,

.....................................................

Regards, Robert

 

 

Dear Robert

Nobody could disagree with that.

I never said one should, what I meant was that one could use the Parker converter with a Lamy Safari.

I have used it, no leaks, no ink flow issues, in fact no problems.

 

BTW the Lamy converters come in 2 shapes, with and without shoulders or flanges (whatever you may call it), named Z24 and Z26, I don't remember which is which! Those with shoulders will not fit feeds without appropriate slits in them. The other willl fit all but may be loose in larger feeds.

 

Hello again! I have been away for a while and just saw this reply. My previous comments were meant to be helpful in a constructive way and not to be critical of anyone who has responded to this thread.

 

Thinking I may have been in error, I, once again, tried several Parker piston and slide converters in my Lamy Safaris--including the AL-Star, etc., and I could not get them to fit properly. As a matter of fact, when I inverted the Safari with the barrel off, the Parker piston and slide converters fell out. I do not understand how a Parker converter can fit in any Lamy c/c pen, but I am no expert, and I must be misunderstanding something about how they are supposed to be attached. The only Parker converter that I could get to--somewhat--fit a Safari was an original Parker 45 aerometric converter because the metal tube that covers part of the rubber sac is wider than the Parker piston converter plastic tube. However, the converter mouth is still a bit larger than the Lamy feed nipple.

 

Regarding the piston converters, Lamy has, until just recently, had, at least, three: the snap-fit Z 24 for the Safari-type pens (early Safaris had a press-fit aerometric converter), the press-fit Z 26, and the sadly discontinued Z 25 threaded converter. My favorite, the Z 25, which had at least two variations, was used in pens like the Accent and Persona series of fountain pens and it was one of Lamy's attempts to solve the problem of having a secure fit and seal between the converter and the feed nipple. Visconti uses a similarly designed threaded converter. Currently, I believe remaining Accents are being supplied with the Z 26 converter.

 

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Can a Lamy Safari fountain pen use Parker cartridges?

 

I have a lot of Parker cartridges, and was thinking of buying a Lamy Safari. As the Lamy comes without a converter, I was wondering whether my existing stock of Parker cartridges will fit it please?

 

 

..........................

 

It would be wiser to use the proper converter for either a Parker, Aurora, or Lamy fountain pen,

.....................................................

Regards, Robert

 

 

Dear Robert

Nobody could disagree with that.

I never said one should, what I meant was that one could use the Parker converter with a Lamy Safari.

I have used it, no leaks, no ink flow issues, in fact no problems.

 

BTW the Lamy converters come in 2 shapes, with and without shoulders or flanges (whatever you may call it), named Z24 and Z26, I don't remember which is which! Those with shoulders will not fit feeds without appropriate slits in them. The other willl fit all but may be loose in larger feeds.

 

Hello again! I have been away for a while and just saw this reply. My previous comments were meant to be helpful in a constructive way and not to be critical of anyone who has responded to this thread.

 

Thinking I may have been in error, I, once again, tried several Parker piston and slide converters in my Lamy Safaris--including the AL-Star, etc., and I could not get them to fit properly. As a matter of fact, when I inverted the Safari with the barrel off, the Parker piston and slide converters fell out. I do not understand how a Parker converter can fit in any Lamy c/c pen, but I am no expert, and I must be misunderstanding something about how they are supposed to be attached. The only Parker converter that I could get to--somewhat--fit a Safari was an original Parker 45 aerometric converter because the metal tube that covers part of the rubber sac is wider than the Parker piston converter plastic tube. However, the converter mouth is still a bit larger than the Lamy feed nipple.

 

Regarding the piston converters, Lamy has, until just recently, had, at least, three: the snap-fit Z 24 for the Safari-type pens (early Safaris had a press-fit aerometric converter), the press-fit Z 26, and the sadly discontinued Z 25 threaded converter. My favorite, the Z 25, which had at least two variations, was used in pens like the Accent and Persona series of fountain pens and it was one of Lamy's attempts to solve the problem of having a secure fit and seal between the converter and the feed nipple. Visconti uses a similarly designed threaded converter. Currently, I believe remaining Accents are being supplied with the Z 26 converter.

 

Regards to all, Robert

 

 

Its a hobby we all indulge in, and share our experiences and knowledge here. I humbly suggest that we should all be polite and respectful of each other's opinions. Our experiences can be different!

 

For example I am using a Lamy Safari right now with a Parker convereter, it is full. but as soon it empties I'll try and get pics of it and post them here. Maybe the fit is tight and you have not appliedd enough pressure? Mine was fit in the shop where I bought the pen and never had reason (untill now) to take it off.

 

Thanks for the info about the Lamy converters. I knew about the Z24 and Z26, but Z25 is new to me. Do you have any pictures?

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I use Lamy cartridges in my Parker I.M, and it works just fine. I didn't like the blueish tint that black Quink has, but I love the more reddish tone in the Lamy black ink. I'm thinking about getting a Lamy converter and some Visconti ink for my I.M actually, and if it doesn't work I'll guess I'll use it in my Safari. :happyberet:

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  • 4 months later...

Having compared cartridges from Parker and Lamy, I have come up with the following dimensions

 

Parker

 

Outside diameter of nipple 5.25 mm

Inside diamter of nipple 3.35 mm

Length of nipple 3.1 mm

Overall cartridge length 75 mm

Cartridge barrel diameter 7.1 mm

 

Lamy

 

Outside diameter of nipple 5.20 mm

Inside diamter of nipple 3.10 mm

Length of nipple 3.4 mm

Overall cartridge length 68 mm

Cartridge barrel diameter 7.3 mm

 

I haven't stripped either pen to measure the entry of the feed but the dimensions are so close that in my estimation it will be perfectly ok to use Parker cartridges in Lamy pens although the Lamy cartridge may be a bit tight on a Parker. You will note that the Parker cartridge is 7 mm longer than the Lamy overall but I don't believe this is an issue with the Safari.

 

Hope this information is useful

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Hi,

 

Brand new cartridges and converters often have connectors of a specific size. As soon as they are attached to a pen, they tend to stretch slightly to fit. This is normal, but once stretched, many of these items only fit on the pen you used it on as well as pens with connectors that are slightly larger.

 

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I bought a cheap Parker 15, and it didnt come with a converter, and I don't have any parker carts.

 

I do have a lot of Lamy carts though, someone said it might be a bit tight?

 

I should be able to push hard though? I would like to give it a try.

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Hi,

 

It should work. Try it out and let us know. I know a few people who have done it without any problems.

 

Dillon

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No,but normally Lamy pens come with a cartridge and using a ink syringe you could fill that up with parker ink from the crtridges

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In my totally misinformed opinion a Lamy safari would wright with mud. I expect them to be indestructible.

So I say of course it will but don't listen to me.

use the a ink syringe.

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  • 1 year later...

Having compared cartridges from Parker and Lamy, I have come up with the following dimensions

 

Parker

 

Outside diameter of nipple 5.25 mm

Inside diamter of nipple 3.35 mm

Length of nipple 3.1 mm

Overall cartridge length 75 mm

Cartridge barrel diameter 7.1 mm

 

Lamy

 

Outside diameter of nipple 5.20 mm

Inside diamter of nipple 3.10 mm

Length of nipple 3.4 mm

Overall cartridge length 68 mm

Cartridge barrel diameter 7.3 mm

 

I haven't stripped either pen to measure the entry of the feed but the dimensions are so close that in my estimation it will be perfectly ok to use Parker cartridges in Lamy pens although the Lamy cartridge may be a bit tight on a Parker. You will note that the Parker cartridge is 7 mm longer than the Lamy overall but I don't believe this is an issue with the Safari.

 

Hope this information is useful

 

Thanks to UKMike for actually providing data, says this former mechanical engineer and statistics teacher;-) These data are consistent with my own experience. The pen manufacturers and dealers have a financial interest in selling more cartirdges, and a legal interest in avoiding any problems caused by using cartridges that do not fit. They may not always be the best source of objective information.

 

My own experience is with using Lamy (or third party cartidges claimed to fit Lamy) in Parker pens. This works fine in many cases, but not all. There are two sources of trouble. One is, as in the quoted post, that the Lamy cartridges are a bit fatter. Especially on old Made in ISA Vectors I find the Lamy crtridge will not slide into the tube that should surround it. Forcing it might work, but it might still not go in far enough to punctue the cartridge, might get stuck in the tube, or might get barely punctured but not make a good seal. So, if you detect a tight fit, back off!

 

The other issue not addressed above is shape. The Lamy cartridge has a shoulder on the non-punctured end that does not appear on the Parker. And, as the post shows, the Parker is longer. Either of these differences could create a problem when you try to screw the section into the body if the inside of the body does not have room to accomodate an unexpected shape.

 

I think the bottom line is that one cannot make blanket statements to the effect that ALL pens of make A will work with cartridges of make B. But that is not the same as saying NO Bs will work in As. Some do, some do not, and it may take some gentle experimentation to sort out which is which. Some short international cartridges will work upside down in Sheaffer pens.

 

As an added wrinkle, I suspect that Parker may threaten legal action against anyone who says their cartridges fit Parker pens. Have you seen any Western cartridges that make this claim? I have only seen the Levenger Large/Magnum cartridges which cleverly had the shape of Parker cartridges but also could be used as long international cartridge if you inserted it the other way round. I thought that was a great idea and always wondered if Levenger dropped it under pressure from Parker. Current Thornton cartidges labelled for Lamy will fit many Parkers, and also internationals upside down, but Thornton strangely does not mention that. Meanwhile, on eBay I see Hero 359 cartridges that have a nipple matching the dimensions above for Parker, but do not mention Parker by name. They just give the dimensions and warn you to make sure they match your (unnanmed) pen. These look like short international cartridges which should be small enough to clear any obstructions in the body and possibly fit both Parker and Lamy

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The Parker cartridge will fit, but I have not used it in my Safari. LAMY cartridges are not more expensive, nor harder to get than Parker cartridges.

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Aurora and Parker are next to identical and can be used in both pens.

 

There are some German made cartridges that have two business ends, one SI sized, the other Lamy sized. (Herlitz)

 

 

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There are some German made cartridges that have two business ends, one SI sized, the other Lamy sized. (Herlitz)

 

I just noticed that some cartridges I bought from majus on eBay (USA) have this property. He says they are made in Germany so they may be the ones you are talking about. He is still selling them and claiming they fit both Parker and Lamy. They are cheap and I have had no problems with them.

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