Not Only Einstein Used A Pelikan

[debussy]

picture is taken from here:

http://www.ssmzd.com/jngwwjx/jngwwcl/3256.html

 

Mao ZeDong used that in the early 1950's.

 

It obversiouly looks like a Pelikan set but anyone has any idea about the model?

 

Cheers.

 

[daenghafez]

It looks like Pelikan but definitely not Pelikan.

[daenghafez]

I recalled there's one pen similar of this which was placed in fleabay recently. Cant remember the make name.

[yoplaboum]

A chinese copy of the 50's ???:ltcapd:

[ssmui]

Haven't come across a fake piston filler pen yet....so far..

[daenghafez]

It looks like Pelikan but definitely not Pelikan.

 

 

I recalled there's one pen similar of this which was placed in fleabay recently. Cant remember the make name.

 

 

This is the one. Still there.

[christof]

The brand is probably "Goldring". A German made Pelikan 400 lookalike.

[debussy]

hmmm... will tell my fountain pen-pal and probably disappointing the Pelikan fans of them...

[eric47]

The brand is probably "Goldring". A German made Pelikan 400 lookalike.

 

That's disappointing. I thought maybe it was a special piece from the Phillip Benz collection.

Edited June 12, 2012 by eric47

[Matt]

The brand is probably "Goldring". A German made Pelikan 400 lookalike.

 

That's disappointing. I thought maybe it was a special piece from the Phillip Benz collection.

 

Most likely it is Russian made. During the '50's most imported goods in China were from Russia, their socialist brothers. Or maybe it is German made as suggested and got to Mao via Russia. China was not too keen to have any kind of ties with the West during this early revolutionary period.

 

Matt

[Rick Propas]

Christof wins the Mao ZeDong sweepstakes, definitely a Goldring. Gotta wonder why Mao chose it over a Montblanc Pelikan or Soennecken.

 

By the way, both Hitler and Stalin use Pelikan 100s. Churchill a Conway, I am told. And from looking at FDR's signature, my guess is that he used Watermans and I seem to vaguely recall having seen a Watermans on display at the FDR library in Hyde Park about a million years ago when I was there as a grad student. But I may be making that up.

[christof]

Christof wins the Mao ZeDong sweepstakes, definitely a Goldring. Gotta wonder why Mao chose it over a Montblanc Pelikan or Soennecken.

 

China was not too keen to have any kind of ties with the West during this early revolutionary period.

 

 

Well, if it's proof that this is a Goldring, and Mao ZeDong probably didn't own and use a western pen, what is that saying???

May be, perhaps there could be a tiny little doubt that this pen has been Mao's..? ...but that's just me.

Edited June 14, 2012 by christof

[zal]

Christof wins the Mao ZeDong sweepstakes, definitely a Goldring. Gotta wonder why Mao chose it over a Montblanc Pelikan or Soennecken.

 

China was not too keen to have any kind of ties with the West during this early revolutionary period.

 

 

Well, if it's proof that this is a Goldring, and Mao ZeDong probably didn't own and use a western pen, what is that saying???

May be, perhaps there could be a tiny little doubt that this pen has been Mao's..? ...but that's just me.

 

well sir, leaders have their own personal preferences and mao was the undisputed autocratic leader of china at one time, nobody would have dared to point out the origins of the pen to him or even refer to it in passing. you may be surprised at the difference between the public rhetoric and their personal tastes of many leaders, especially in non democratic countries.

 

rgds.

 

krishna.

[Rick Propas]

It's always a matter of provenance, or some sort of paper trail linking the pens to Mao.

 

To properly verify the provenance one would have to go to the museum and talk with the appropriate curator.

 

Otherwise it is, indeed, all hearsay.

 

Christof wins the Mao ZeDong sweepstakes, definitely a Goldring. Gotta wonder why Mao chose it over a Montblanc Pelikan or Soennecken.

 

China was not too keen to have any kind of ties with the West during this early revolutionary period.

 

 

Well, if it's proof that this is a Goldring, and Mao ZeDong probably didn't own and use a western pen, what is that saying???

May be, perhaps there could be a tiny little doubt that this pen has been Mao's..? ...but that's just me.

[myn]

Couldn't help commenting on this as I was just poking about on eBay looking at the different Pelikan Pens available and stumbled

onto one that the Mao pen attempted to come somewhat close to in appearance. Photo here: http://tinyurl.com/d22on59 - by the

way this url only leads to the pen offered on eBay.

 

The photos at the above url are of a Pelikan 500 brown tortoise stripe, double gold. Gorgeous pen.

[debussy]

a few things I'd like to say:

 

1) As far as we (Chinese) know, Mao ZeDong didn't use fountain pen (much) and his daily writer were pencil and calligraphy brush. in later days, he passed most of such work to his secretaries...

2) from some un-proved source, that pen is a gift from his friend who looted this during wars (ww2 against Japan or Chinese civil war -- i've no idea)

3) even after 1949, it is still possible to purchase things like this pen from HongKong as the gate between main land of China and HK was never totally shutted down (government could still buy luxury stuff such as Hollywood movie copies and cosmetic for comrade Mdm Jiang Qing. )

4) it was also said that Chairman Mao used to use cigarette filter made by Montblanc though we didn't see any of them left (and did montblanc really made that before?)

[Jamo]

Definitely a Goldring Onyx Which I believe was made in East Germany.

[Calabria]

Christof wins the Mao ZeDong sweepstakes, definitely a Goldring. Gotta wonder why Mao chose it over a Montblanc Pelikan or Soennecken.

 

By the way, both Hitler and Stalin use Pelikan 100s. Churchill a Conway, I am told. And from looking at FDR's signature, my guess is that he used Watermans and I seem to vaguely recall having seen a Watermans on display at the FDR library in Hyde Park about a million years ago when I was there as a grad student. But I may be making that up.

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